New Zealand in Bangladesh, October 2010/11

[Howsie]

raqibul is the best thing in bangladesh as far as middle order batsmen go, though yes, this is perhaps a little overly cautious.

one thing I don't agree with that Irotev said is; that "ability wise" NZ are streets ahead of BNG. Experience wise, definitely, skill wise, yeah, but that's down to the experience and time to hone those skills, but ability wise? kane williamson, southee, and a bunch of the other really young players in NZ have failed to make any impact as yet on the international scene. BNG on the other hand have a team full of young players getting by on their ability. compare the talent at the under 21 or 22 level that's playing in the full team and guys like tamim, shakib, rahim, raqibul, shafiul compare favourable with their young NZ counterparts.

Tamin and Shakib do no doubt, the rest not so much imo. New Zealand haven't exactly played a lot of younger player over the past couple of years - Southee, Williamson, Flynn, Guptill and Watling of the top of my head. Watling and Williamson haven't exactly played a lot of international cricket but Southee's done more then Shafiul and Rubel so far, and Guptill's start to international cricket would put him up there as Bangladesh's second or third best batsmen.

 

[ferg512]

For me Southee has been really disappointing. He promised so much on debut and in the ODIs in england not long after, but really has just been on a downhill slide since then. Without Bond, the bowling (which was always a strong point) looks pretty bad.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Bangladesh do have quite a bit of quality. Tamim, Shakib, Mortaza, Razaak. Nafees, Kayes, Raqibul, Shaiful Islam, Mahmadullah, Mushfiqur have all proven to be fairly talented and capable as well. In a few years, they could be the core of a very dangerous side.

And this is not including players like Ashraful, Aftab Ahmed, Shahadat Hossain, Shuvo, Rubel, etc.

 

[Howsie]

For me Southee has been really disappointing. He promised so much on debut and in the ODIs in england not long after, but really has just been on a downhill slide since then. Without Bond, the bowling (which was always a strong point) looks pretty bad.

One of the pitfulls of performing well at a young age, the expectation is higher then it really well should be. I still think a lot of people forget just how young Tim Southee is tbh, most bowlers over the history of cricket don't develop until they're in their mid 20's. Yeah it would be nice if he was more conisistant but it's just not going to happen at his age.

 

[ferg512]

One of the pitfulls of performing well at a young age, the expectation is higher then it really well should be. I still think a lot of people forget just how young Tim Southee is tbh, most bowlers over the history of cricket don't develop until they're in their mid 20's. Yeah it would be nice if he was more conisistant but it's just not going to happen at his age.

Yeah I agree with you on that one. It's hard to believe he is only 21 when it seems like he's been around so long.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

but he's older than the two bangladesh seamers, southee did well on his emergence in the international scene but over the last 2 years he's averaged 44 to shafiuls 33.

I wouldn't say he's really behind shafiul in terms of development as those stats suggest, but southee's performances, as a talented prospect, show how even good young players generally tend to do in the deep end.

and this is generally the reason I bang on a lot about bangladesh in a positive manner. for a bunch of 21, 22, 23 year olds. They are pretty damn good, they are learning the hard way and out of their current XI I'd say there's around 6 or 7 of them that have the potential to be very good cricketers.

Also, I'll stick my neck out and say by the end of 2015 BNG will not be ranked 9th in either format and will be ahead of either one, or both, of the west indies or NZ.

 

[razahood]

OMG i have just seen the result and took bite of my finger can't even believe bangladesh now can't loose the series A team is rising now

 

[icyman]

If Shakib steps down again, he will have to take over. But that fool keeps getting injured. And Shakib said he wants a permanent job, because he wants to earn players respect and settle down with them

Obviosuly give it to Shakib. Mortaza hasn't tasted competitive cricket in ages. An you would still like to thrust him into the captaincy for the World Cup ?

Why on earth are they giving out awards for best six and fastest fifty?? its like IPL started early

They thought that the Bangla boys won;t win any matches and thus these sidey awards to keep them happy.

But cheers to all Bangladeshis, you cannot lose the series now. This has happened for the first time in history.

 

[ZexyZahid]

Great performance of Bangladesh again. Not taking anything from the win away, but this match was again rain affected. The great thing of these past wins are that Bangladesh have been winning them without Ashraful, Tamim Iqbal or Mortaza.

Bangladesh already won an ODI series against West Indies, but then a second team was playing against Bangladesh.

From the look of the scorecard New Zealand lost the match of the Bangladesh spinners, so New Zealand really should include spinners in their next match.

 

[qpeedore]

Bangladesh's strength has always been their slow left arm bowlers. I remember the match they played in the West Indies against India in the 2007 World Cup. That match highlighted the spinners well. All of them are so different in the way they approach things, and that's what makes the team as a whole effective.

This latest result just shows that Bangladesh can beat any team on their day. Look at how great the openers went, and that's without Tamim. Imagine what would happen when he gets back his fitness and form.

 

[McLOVIN]

^ How was this rain affected? It hadn't rained for last 3 days over there.

And also @ earlier discussion in this page,

One of the pitfulls of performing well at a young age, the expectation is higher then it really well should be.

And I doubt you would ever know what a Bdeshi (or Subcon.) young player goes through. I will use Tamim as an ex. That guy was sent to the WC camp at the age of 17, from his u19 group. He played only 2 int games before playing against the mighty India in the World Cup. Him along with Shakib and Rahim, all U19 kids. And there could've very well been 3 ducks in the line up. And people would've bashed them so much.

Everyone in B'desh expects them to do well, they don't care how young they are. I don't think it even comes to their mind "oh they're just buncha young kids". And sorry for guys like Ashraful and several others from the past, who fell on the other side. Couldn't cope with it, even though they had the talent.

What they go through is nothing like what a kiwi player would ever go through. I am sorry but a subcon. expectation is no where near the same lvl as for a kiwi expectation. Southee got it much easier than Shafiul.

 

[ferg512]

Also, I'll stick my neck out and say by the end of 2015 BNG will not be ranked 9th in either format and will be ahead of either one, or both, of the west indies or NZ.

Yeah I tend to agree. I always had the feeling Bangladesh would be the new Sri lanka kind of. it would just depend on how long it would take.

 

[McLOVIN]

raqibul is the best thing in bangladesh as far as middle order batsmen go, though yes, this is perhaps a little overly cautious.

LOL, tell it to them. They are killing him over there. 2 threads on him, just for being how much he "sucks". And one for being slower than Imrul.

I wouldn't mind that approach on other situation. But really, with 30 runs to go, there was no need for that. They could've won with 20 overs to spare. And he almost got Siddique run out twice.

And Siddique total changed his game. He used to be more aggressive. They can't have Roqibul and Siddique in together. I want to see Jahurul, he was good in ENG. And I wanted him to play over Nafees. But eh, looks like Nafees is fine for now...

 

[SciD]

Wonder what will Khalek say about this victory.

 

[Howsie]

And I doubt you would ever know what a Bdeshi (or Subcon.) young player goes through. I will use Tamim as an ex. That guy was sent to the WC camp at the age of 17, from his u19 group. He played only 2 int games before playing against the mighty India in the World Cup. Him along with Shakib and Rahim, all U19 kids. And there could've very well been 3 ducks in the line up. And people would've bashed them so much.

Everyone in B'desh expects them to do well, they don't care how young they are. I don't think it even comes to their mind "oh they're just buncha young kids". And sorry for guys like Ashraful and several others from the past, who fell on the other side. Couldn't cope with it, even though they had the talent.

What they go through is nothing like what a kiwi player would ever go through. I am sorry but a subcon. expectation is no where near the same lvl as for a kiwi expectation. Southee got it much easier than Shafiul.

That's nice.....