Pakistan vs England Jul-Aug-Sep 2010

[Gaurav_7]

Raza Hasan has been playing in my local league

I don't exactly know about which Raza Hasan you're talking and which I'm thinking. Is he someone who played in ICL?

 

[MUFC1987]

Your 2nd XI was playing your 1st XI - like a friendly between your club?

How did Raza Hasan perform?

He's not at my club, just a club that plays in the same league system. Obviously, he did quite well. He's only played a few games and to no surprise, he's done brilliantly.

Here's a story on it, from the local CB website: Devon Cricket Board - Pakistan call-up for Budleigh 2nd XI spinner

I don't exactly know about which Raza Hasan you're talking and which I'm thinking. Is he someone who played in ICL?

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean. I'm talking about the guy that got called up to Pakistan's Test Squad this week.

 

[War]

People find it hard to call someone the best when they suffer inconsistency as you freely concede - and so does Anderson! (runs that is) Can you take him to Australia where he is unlikely to swing it? His accuracy needs to improve, is it worth taking him on the offchance he suddenly works out how to swing it down under?

He needs to be able to reverse swing the ball & he could be effective down under for sure. If Hoggard who was a less talented swing-bowler than Anderson could learn to reverse-swing the ball & be effective in non-swinging conditions as he proved in India 2005/06 & Adelaide 06/07. Id be horribly disappointed if Anderson ATS doesn't step up & do that.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean. I'm talking about the guy that got called up to Pakistan's Test Squad this week.

I confused him with Hasan Raza, I think. With that link you posted, he's a different guy.

 

[Insomniac]

He's not at my club, just a club that plays in the same league system. Obviously, he did quite well. He's only played a few games and to no surprise, he's done brilliantly.

Here's a story on it, from the local CB website: Devon Cricket Board - Pakistan call-up for Budleigh 2nd XI spinner




Sorry, I have no idea what you mean. I'm talking about the guy that got called up to Pakistan's Test Squad this week.

Oh, so now we know how Raza Hasan lost his luggage.

Thanks to this guy who was the one who put him on the train -_-

Excited Raza loses luggage on way to Nottingham

 

[King Pietersen]

He needs to be able to reverse swing the ball & he could be effective down under for sure. If Hoggard who was a less talented swing-bowler than Anderson could learn to reverse-swing the ball & be effective in non-swinging conditions as he proved in India 2005/06 & Adelaide 06/07. Id be horribly disappointed if Anderson ATS doesn't step up & do that.

Anderson already reverse swings the ball. Did you not see the away series in the West Indies? If it wasn't for the sheer flatness of the wickets, even by modern standards, Anderson would have taken heaps more wickets, he certainly deserved more. He bowled fantastically in that series, and showed fantastic control of the reverse swinging ball. He's definitely capable of reverse swinging it.

 

[War]

Anderson already reverse swings the ball. Did you not see the away series in the West Indies? If it wasn't for the sheer flatness of the wickets, even by modern standards, Anderson would have taken heaps more wickets, he certainly deserved more. He bowled fantastically in that series, and showed fantastic control of the reverse swinging ball. He's definitely capable of reverse swinging it.

Yea i haven't forgotten the reverse swing during that Windies series (specially the Trinidad test only). But after that series vs the big boys in Australia & South Africa, when he had to bowl on flat surfaces he wasn't as effective.

Thats why i saw he still needs to prove he can do it all over again & this time on a consistent basis. Since a question mark over his ability in non-seamer friendly conditions remains.

 

[TumTum]

Yea i haven't forgotten the reverse swing during that Windies series (specially the Trinidad test only). But after that series vs the big boys in Australia & South Africa, when he had to bowl on flat surfaces he wasn't as effective.

Thats why i saw he still needs to prove he can do it all over again & this time on a consistent basis. Since a question mark over his ability in non-seamer friendly conditions remains.

Aus or SA surfaces are not flat, they are seam & bounce friendly. Jimmeh only bowls well in places that provide big swing (not even with mild swing).

Anderson bowling averages
@Australia - 82.60
@England - 27.78
@India - 29.30
@New Zealand - 35.37
@South Africa - 38.72
@Sri Lanka - 126.00
@West Indies - 38.00

Looks like a home track bully, and not a very good one at that.

 

[pcfan123]

:laugh

Anderson is a swing bowler, ball don't swing in AUS and neither does the Kookaburra.

Surprised to see his average is so high in SL where it does swing though.

 

[War]

Aus or SA surfaces are not flat, they are seam & bounce friendly. Jimmeh only bowls well in places that provide big swing (not even with mild swing).

When England toured SA last winter, flat pitches/conditions where present ever so often in that series - along with seamer friendly conditions. Anderson was dangerous when it was swinging for him - but avergae when it wasn't.

Plus i never said AUS conditions are flat in that post (although technically over the last decade except for Brisbane along with SCG & Perth @ times, Australian pitches have become fairly flat). I was talking about the Ashes in England last year vs AUS - where Anderson during that series was basically superb when it was swinging - but poor when it wasn't.

Anderson bowling averages
@Australia - 82.60
@England - 27.78
@India - 29.30
@New Zealand - 35.37
@South Africa - 38.72
@Sri Lanka - 126.00
@West Indies - 38.00

Looks like a home track bully, and not a very good one at that.

You got to understand the dynamics of Anderson career, you can't generalize stats like that.

Between his debut vs ZIM 03 to Ashes 06/07. Anderson was not a good test bowler he was very much in & out of the England test set-up because of injury & the fact that other better bowlers where available i.e the Ashes winning 05 quartet. He was basically an ODI specialist.



Anderson has only held a regular test place since India 2007 @ home to now. Plus its only been since NZ 2008 when he took this 7 wicket haul, that he started to show the first signs that he could be lethal test bowler in seamer friendly conditions.

So basically to date in Anderson career him having high averages outside of England is very understandable given he has only barely established himself as a swing specialist all over world since 2008. You can't fault him for that.

Thats why as i suggested before. His career this winter in the Ashes will hit and important juncture. Since just like a past countryman & swing-bowler in Matt Hoggard who improved his game to be able to take wickets on flat wickets. Anderson needs to expand his repotoire in that area as well.

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Anyone seen this yet.

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Ian Botham's mother-in-law, 1983-84

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[TumTum]

You got to understand the dynamics of Anderson career, you can't generalize stats like that.

Between his debut vs ZIM 03 to Ashes 06/07. Anderson was not a good test bowler he was very much in & out of the England test set-up because of injury & the fact that other better bowlers where available i.e the Ashes winning 05 quartet. He was basically an ODI specialist.



Anderson has only held a regular test place since India 2007 @ home to now. Plus its only been since NZ 2008 when he took this 7 wicket haul, that he started to show the first signs that he could be lethal test bowler in seamer friendly conditions.

So basically to date in Anderson career him having high averages outside of England is very understandable given he has only barely established himself as a swing specialist all over world since 2008. You can't fault him for that.

Thats why as i suggested before. His career this winter in the Ashes will hit and important juncture. Since just like a past countryman & swing-bowler in Matt Hoggard who improved his game to be able to take wickets on flat wickets. Anderson needs to expand his repotoire in that area as well.

Anderson bowling averages in the last 3 years
@England - 25.57
@India - 53.50
@New Zealand - 35.37
@South Africa - 34.25
@Sri Lanka - 83.50
@West Indies - 38.00

Yes he has evolved into a world beater :sarcasm

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Although on his day (usually in England with overcast conditions), Jimmeh is a real match winner

Anderson bowling average
won match - 22.32
lost match - 64.90
drawn match - 32.86

 

[Owzat]

To expand even further :

Anderson post Ashes 06/07

HOME

vs IND : 14 wkts @ 35.57
vs NZE : 19 wkts @ 19.32
vs SAF : 15 wkts @ 33.93
vs WIN : 11 wkts @ 17.73
vs AUS : 12 wkts @ 45.17
vs BAN : 9 wkts @ 24.78
vs PAK : 11 wkts @ 6.45

Home Overall : 91 wkts @ 26.43
vs BAN/WIN/NZE : 50 wkts @ 17.12
vs AUS/IND/SAF/PAK : 41 wkts @ 37.78

I've included Pakistan's weak batting display in with the weaker Test nations, it's hard to justify including it in with the tougher Test nations when conditions were so helpful and the Pakistani batsmen even more so

AWAY

vs SRI : 2 wkts @ 83.50
vs NZE : 19 wkts @ 19.32
vs IND : 4 wkts @ 53.50
vs WIN : 9 wkts @ 38.00
vs SAF : 16 wkts @ 34.25

Away overall : 39 wkts @ 39.85
vs NZE/WIN : 17 wkts @ 36.76
vs SRI/IND/SAF : 22 wkts @ 42.23

His average is much better post Ashes 06/07, but is that because he has improved, or because he has picked up a lot of wickets against nothing batting/Test nations?

2003-06/07 : 46 wkts @ 38.39
2007-2010 : 130 wkts @ 30.45

vs NZE/WIN/BAN/PAK : 67 wkts @ 22.10
vs AUS/IND/SRI/SAF : 63 wkts @ 39.33


Quite clearly he struggles against the better sides, especially away, but because England play West Indies and New Zealand with regular monotony, and have recently played Bangladesh and he's just taken apart a weak Pakistan batting side in helpful conditions, his figures look better.

Bottom line for me is will Anderson swing the ball in Australia with a different ball and much more demanding pitches and opposition? I'd be more inclined to go with Broad, Shazhad, Sidebottom, Finn plus a couple of others not to include Anderson or Bresnan. Anderson might do better this time, but can England afford to take that GAMBLE in the Ashes when the all important 1st Test begins? Might as well take Plunkett and Mahmood, I suspect they are as likely to succeed down under as Anderson.

 

[Sureshot]

All bowlers will have higher averages and struggle against the best opposition, that's why they are the best opposition. I agree that Jimmy is inconsistent, but he is a match winner and that's what you need.

 

[angryangy]

He's definitely erratic, but the risk is whether he can deliver a match winning performance at all in Australia. If you could safely say that he'd take a pair of fives, then it'd be enough; even if his tour figures were 12 wickets at 50, he'd probably win at least one game.

 

[War]

Anderson bowling averages in the last 3 years
@England - 25.57
@India - 53.50
@New Zealand - 35.37
@South Africa - 34.25
@Sri Lanka - 83.50
@West Indies - 38.00

Yes he has evolved into a world beater :sarcasm

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Although on his day (usually in England with overcast conditions), Jimmeh is a real match winner

Anderson bowling average
won match - 22.32
lost match - 64.90
drawn match - 32.86

Ha what?. Kindly read again, i never said anything like that.

I said he has become a swing specialist in any seamer friendly condition he has has encountered all over the world since 2008. How you interpreted that as me saying he is 'world beater", i'll never know..

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His average is much better post Ashes 06/07, but is that because he has improved, or because he has picked up a lot of wickets against nothing batting/Test nations?

2003-06/07 : 46 wkts @ 38.39
2007-2010 : 130 wkts @ 30.45

vs NZE/WIN/BAN/PAK : 67 wkts @ 22.10
vs AUS/IND/SRI/SAF : 63 wkts @ 39.33


Quite clearly he struggles against the better sides, especially away, but because England play West Indies and New Zealand with regular monotony, and have recently played Bangladesh and he's just taken apart a weak Pakistan batting side in helpful conditions, his figures look better.

Definite improvement since Ashes 06/07 for sure. He has taken 5 wicket hauls vs SA, AUS, IND when he has had helpul conditons just like againts the weaker nations. Pre Ashes 06/07 you certainly coudln't expect that from Anderson.

Bottom line for me is will Anderson swing the ball in Australia with a different ball and much more demanding pitches and opposition? I'd be more inclined to go with Broad, Shazhad, Sidebottom, Finn plus a couple of others not to include Anderson or Bresnan. Anderson might do better this time, but can England afford to take that GAMBLE in the Ashes when the all important 1st Test begins? Might as well take Plunkett and Mahmood, I suspect they are as likely to succeed down under as Anderson.

Well he did swing the kookobura (spell check) in South Africa last winter when he got helpul conditions. Plus if their is any wicket in Australia that may be helpul to his style of bowling is the 1st test @ Brisbane.

Plus sayung jokers like Plunkett & Mahmood are as likely to succeed down under as Jimmy is wayyy over the top sir. We may still have our worries about his likely effectiveness on those surfaces - but no way is possible ineffectiveness equal to that of that of Plunkett & Mahmood.