South Africa in England

Finally RSA did something good
ow please (my requests from players)
Smith - show the form that u showed the last time u played against eng
kallis - 9677 runs , but when r u gonna hit a double century or tripl?
Pieterson - well played, keep it up
Panesar - the new turbanaor-great bowling
Ntinit and Steyn- Pick up wkts guyz-a 5 or 6 kt haul
 
Dang, one would swear England are playing against themselves here, why is there so little contribution from South Africans on this topic?

Well here goes...Long post coming up!

General feedback
After what had been a disastrous first 3 days for us I think we showed a lot of balls and determination to not hand the game to the poms. We could have so easily (as we usually do) completely balls it up and have lost by an innings but i think the top 3 did very well in the second innings. I think its understandable that SA didnt perform up to par at the start of the match, because when u think about it England have just come off a series against NZ and are match fit - our guys look overweight and sluggish and you can see they havent played any tests for some time. Good recovery though and funny enough, I think that eventhough the majority of the test was very on-sided towards England, they are probably worse off than SA with the amount of fatigue their bowlers would be experiencing.

SA bowling
Ok I understand that its fine to be cocky before a test and the whole "my dad can beat up your dad" crap that always go on before a series, but when you cant back it up youre left looking like a complete idiot - and worse, you make your fans at hom (i.e ME) feel embarrased. What Im getting at is Micky Arthur and Greame Smith perpetually pimping this whole "EXTREME PACE" element of the SA attack. I cant stand it because none of our bowlers are extreme pace!! When will they start thinking of what they say, because they look like a bunch of idiots.

Seriously, none of our bowlers are of Brett Lee / Shoaib Akhtar pace and according to me if you cant consistently bowl around the 150kph (94mph?) then you are NOT express pace. Sure...the pitch was slow but our bowlers are not that much faster than the English bowlers, so whats the point?? James Anderson was right up there with Dale Steyn's pace at times and Morne Morkel bowled a 94mph delivery ONCE during the first day. On average we probably bowl around 3mph fasters per bowler, but that doesnt really qualify as being express OR fast enough to cause major problems to another side. Fair enough....it was a slow pitch but thats not the point.

Seriously....stop throwing these stupid terms around to try and make our side sound like something they are not - its embarrasing for all of us.

OK finally on to the bowling...Took us way too long to figure out the length to bowl on Lord's and seriously - how can it possibly take our entire team 2 days to understand that you have to adjust your length and bowl fuller in the UK. Im really worried about Ntini, he seems even more one dimensional than before and unlucky for him Stresscothic doesnt play anymore so thats one less caught-behind per test in his pocket. We really need Pollock and it shows...Ntini isnt a fantastic leader or someone to give the young guys advice i dont think hes got the cricket brain of Pollock - someone who didnt only help the bowlers but also the captain who desperately needed Pollock's input during some of the field placements.

Dale Steyn looked a little shell shocked at time, bowled an absolute trophy of a delivery to Vaughn. I feel a bit sorry for the English captain its not the first time hes been on the receiving end of one of Steyn's unplayable balls. Not sure what to say about Steyn, we all know hes far better against right handers than lefties and perhaps its a good idea to make him first-change for the next test. Morkel is much better against left-handers, removed both openers and can cause a lot of problems for Cook since he looks quite weak against short deliveries. If Morkel and Ntini can remove one of the openers Im sure Steyn would be in his element to have another go at Vaughn - having said that, he doenst look like much of a threat and Ian Bell and the Durbanite are a much bigger handfull...strange though because ive never rated Bell as much of a player.

Ok now onto what has always been a tender spot for me...spin bowling. And I really honestly want to ask other SA fans out there to explain this to me. How the hell is Paul Harris the best spinner we have??? It does not make sense to me...everytime i watch him play I think back to highschool 10 years ago and wondered what happened to some of the spinners i had faced back in 11th grade who could spin a ball around a corner. How on earth was the consensus made when they said "Paul...youre the man". I cant figure it out, hes not a wicket taker, yet he also cant tie up one end to create pressure. Hes gone for over 100 runs once again and I swear sometimes he thinks he should back with the long sticker-side facing the bowler. WHAT is he doing there? Who else do we have even? What about Con de Lange? Hes a clever bowler, mixes up his pace and lengths AND he can bat. What are your thoughts?

Overall regarding the bowling I hope we can hit our straps early on in the next test. They cant use the excuse of "flat pitch" everytime and I hope we see more variation from the bowlers. England have showed much more deception and thought behind their bowling - if we can add some of that in the mix in the next test I doubt guys like Bell will get a huge score. KP is always a problem, perhaps a few more short balls early on to knock him over a few times - hopefully next time he falls on the stumps haha.

SA Batting

Well apart from about 3 desmissals in the first innings, I think in general our batsmen really had only themselves to blame. England bowled better than us but thats what you expect from the home side in the first innings of the first test of a series, but we really got it all wrong. Smith looked iffy while McKenzie got a really good one and Amla is a bit not-so-good against the short ones now and then. At least they all made us proud in the 2nd innings, I dont care if the pitch is flat you still have to go out there and do it. (Just an interesting bit of trivia....I love how the English media praises their team when scoring a HUGE total on a flat pitch but says nothing about the pitch. But when we played equally well, they say "no the pitch was too flat, it has no life"..hmmm)

Ok...Kallis should be DROPPED. He sucks and I dont like him. Might sound childish but honestly. Hes in terrible form, averages like 6 at Lord's with the bat, bowling is uninspired and hes fat. Im not even sure what our squad looks like or who can replace him....eventho I know they wont ever drop him I just think hes in terrible form in all departments of the game.

Overall very happy for Smith, after the disastrous decision of putting England in, to go so far in helping us to draw a test we probably should not have, I think its fantastic and theres few things better for us than an in-form Greame Smith.

McKenzie is looking awesome, never liked his batting style and he has no followthrough when he plays a shot and holds the bat too high on the grip which annoys me....BUT i regardless of all those things hes looking very good and shows exactly why hes there and not Herchelle Gibbs...because he can knuckle down, concentrate and produce the Gary Kirsten innings we needed form him.

Amla....terrific. Awesome how wristy he is and how he can manipulate the ball effortlessly into gapes. Great temperament and timing. Bit iffy on the shortball as I said but wasnt troubled by it in the second innings.

Overall

I would really love them to reconsider playing Harris. So what if the whole crcketing world sledges us for being one-paced? Why include a mediocre spinner in the team just for the sake of shutting people up or to add something different when hes just bad? Rather add someone like Albie Morkel (if hes there) who can add something to the batting as well or Monde Zondeki who apparently has been bowling with a bit of pace of late with good results...

Kallis wont be dropped, so I just hope he starts producing runs because for someone who considers himself so important for the team he seriously needs to at least get a score.

Thats it from me...looking forward to SA building on their impressive 2nd inns performance, and leave the poms out in the field again at Headingly to work on their shinsplints. hehe
 
Valaskjalf:
Interesting review, I saw no mention was made of Prince innings, but in my mind it was pivotal in how the test ended, he came in on or around the 22nd over and batted to the 91st, scoring a century, this cannot go unmentioned, he did very well when all odds were against SA.
 
What you must understand Valaskjalf and others, is that the English media had hyped up the SA pace attack. Sure SA have focussed on good fast bowling unit, but they realise that their guys (Steyn, Morkel, Harris) are still very young and inexperienced. To expect Steyn to come out and take 5 wickets every match is ridiculous, especially after an injury.

Ntini and Harris were flat. Morkel and Steyn are coming back from injury and haven't had good match practice in a few months. So to come and expect them to blow away the English guys on a flat, sloped, Lords track was just a little too much in my opinion.
 
It wasn't the English Media that hyped them up it was themselves. Mainly Micky Arthur and Graeme Smith
 
It wasn't the English Media that hyped them up it was themselves. Mainly Micky Arthur and Graeme Smith

not at all..they said and meant exactly what they know about themselves. but media hyped it..or they just didn't watch them play recently rather went by stats and words heard from here and there.
and hyped them up.

Coach and players know what they are capable of, it is the media and other people non-cricketers , etc who hype a team or player.
 
England will not win at Lords simply because I could make a hundred lying down on the 4th or 5th day.
 
LOL @ someone saying Kallis should be dropped.

Didn't he make an unbeaten run-a-ball 160 in a practice match?


Yes, that's true but he seems unable to perform under pressure atm, I think he should be given another chance to score runs at Headingly, but if that doesn't work a younger batsman should be given the nod. He looked undercooked and out of touch in the last test, but so was Andrew Strauss during the test series against New Zealand and look how he's doing now, I think a spell in the domestic leagues of about 2 months or so wouldn't hurt Jaques, is the SA domestic league running atm?
 
Nah there's no domestic cricket running in SA right now. Even if there was, it would be insane to drop Kallis. A man with his record deserves a few more chances than others before he is "rested"
 
yeah well I checked the squad and the only extra batsman we have is JP Duminy....good player but not exactly very experienced at all so yeah I suppose Kallis will have to hang around for a while longer. Ive always been a huge Boeta Dippenaar fan but I think he pulled a Petersen (only more justifyably and not in such an erratic and childish way that KP did) and left SA to play in the UK. If Dipp was still around I think he might have been an option..

@ whoever said i forgot to mention Prince's innings: Very true! I was rambling on so long and forgot to mention him. But yeah im very impressed with him, the problem is he never really looks in though...hes one of those guys who can be in for a long time and then just get out as if hes new to the crease. But hats off to him and on not getting out, very well played.

I think the hype was probably started by Smith and Arthur, and the English media, predictably, went and ran with it and blew it out of proportion as they usually do. What did Ponting say in the Ashes again? - "Beat them in the first test and let the media do the rest" haha.

Fair points about Steyn and Morkel....I do think they might be a little out of their depth. Must be difficult for them both to almost suddenly be senior bowlers, since Ntini is so crap of late.

Dunno....i have a funny feeling about Headingly, cant figure out yet whether its a good or bad one but Im pretty sure its gonna be a relatively easy win for one of the teams....perhaps the edge with the Proteas if you ask me.
 
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Yes, that's true but he seems unable to perform under pressure atm, I think he should be given another chance to score runs at Headingly, but if that doesn't work a younger batsman should be given the nod. He looked undercooked and out of touch in the last test, but so was Andrew Strauss during the test series against New Zealand and look how he's doing now, I think a spell in the domestic leagues of about 2 months or so wouldn't hurt Jaques, is the SA domestic league running atm?

Come on you guys, are you all serious?? This is Jacques Kallis we are talking about, with an avg. of 56... and 30 test hundreds!!
Put it this way there are some guys you just don't drop (well unless a fake injury come into play) and he is one such guy.
 
Strauss
Cook
Vaughan
Pietersen
Bell
Flintoff
Prior
Sidebottom
Jones
Anderson
Panesar

This would be the side i would pick for friday. Am i crazy? :eek:
 

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