End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[El Loco]

Occam's razor. Look at the game balance at the time, town were -2. How likely is he to go 'I know what I'll do, I'll put another anti-town character in'

It's unfair to 're-balance' the game once it has already started to take it's course. It's not a simple case of throwing what might be a seemingly more complex theory to you - out the window.

@El Loco ^ and a some posts before this. It seems that you are setting-up @surendar . Any reason in particular? My apology if I missed your reason given.

By the way you quoted my post I can instantly surmise that you probably haven't even properly examined the contents of it. As for reasons, you've obviously missed out a whole page or two of rants, go back and look for yourself.
Trying to get people to reiterate things they've already expressed is pretty suspicious, perhaps a ploy to divert attention I don't know, not withstanding the fact that I've it covered so much that I feel like I've exhausted anything else I can say about it.

 

[RUDI]

It's unfair to 're-balance' the game once it has already started to take it's course. It's not a simple case of throwing what might be a seemingly more complex theory to you - out the window.


By the way you quoted my post I can instantly surmise that you probably haven't even properly examined the contents of it. As for reasons, you've obviously missed out a whole page or two of rants, go back and look for yourself.
Trying to get people to reiterate things they've already expressed is pretty suspicious, perhaps a ploy to divert attention I don't know, not withstanding the fact that I've it covered so much that I feel like I've exhausted anything else I can say about it.

No need to be defensive, I apologized in advance if you have covered my question already. I'm going through the posts as stated earlier.
I do get your frustration with the replacement thing and asking questions as a substitute ain't helping either. However, it's part of the game unfortunately. Better to clear things up rather than to make conclusions, don't you think?

 

[Villain]

Will reply to the questions asked early morning tomorrow, good to notice we've been given more time before the day ends.

 

[zwarrior]

We really need to get some conversation going, with another day close to ending.

I have seen @Villain online, but did not post. What are your thoughts on the Day 3 description here?

We also need more from @swacker & @Varun who announced that they were reading through the thread.

@Simon have been able to read through the thread? What are your thoughts.

@zwarrior @surendar @El Loco what are your thought about Villain?[DOUBLEPOST=1500534372][/DOUBLEPOST](Simon have) *you

I haven't found much posts about his in initial few pages. But, he did target asprin and asprin was killed next day. He defended rudolph too on day 1. Maybe he knows too many things or it is all just coincidence?

Just reading some posts now. Can someone please be so kind to explain why there was this huge time gap between Night 2 and Day 3 ? Did anyone perhaps notice someone being inactive for a long period... it might help assist to see who possibly have a night-role.

Man. I am never opening that inactive door again. Got lot of backlash in last game I played, even though I had made no mistakes. So, no idea about that.

@zwarrior your thoughts please.
@Jack Ryder has @Simon confirmed that he has received his role here yet? I cannot find any posts by him.

So far I had my fos on Mrs.Pacman. Very strong FOS. Since you replaced her, I am still having thoughts on her role, which is you now. Obviously you cannot reply to what she has posted, so i think I am going to remove the FOS from Mrs Pacman for now. @Jack Ryder can you tell whether the role of mrs Pacman to rudolph has changed or remained the same ? Because I read scum behaviour on her role. And it will be important to know that information.

My read so far.

mafia doubts = varun, surendar, pacman ( but since you replaced her, I have doubts on this )
town= cc, loco, swacker
mafia/town= villain
no read = simon

Yes, instead of ending this day - we should also need to get @zwarrior , @Varun and @Simon speaking and extend the timeline. If it is going to end without discussion by deadlines, it would make no logical sense for this day itself. At one point of time, I believe we have had only 4 people speak continuously blaming each other in last few days. 4 out of 10 people is too less activity to even get a read of this situation.

I had my fos on pacman during my previous activity. Now that she is replaced, I will have to pick one from my list which I had posted. That is you, varun, fake. I got reply from you and fake. I am not trusting fake yet. But I also feel he is no harm to town at the moment. So, I am not going to lynch/fos him. And I am still in confusion between you and varun. I have a strong feeling one of you is mafia.

FOS: Varun. Reason is on post [HASHTAG]#451[/HASHTAG] and in this line. Yes, not lynching anyone yet. I have fos on surendar as well, but this is just to get reply from varun.

Power role then? Perhaps an investigative role. Nice job done thus far

What ? I did not get it.

 

[surendar]

Spoiler: ISO-villain

In, thanks for the game.

Got it.

The amount of time it took us to confirm our roles makes me think it'd be very difficult to complete this game. Main reason it being a 13 player game. Hope to take this forward and have a decent amount of activity.[DOUBLEPOST=1499441427][/DOUBLEPOST]
He left or is he left to confirm the role? Please clear.

lol sure.


Hope to continue this series of lynching rapidly after the game starts, trust me it'll help the game

I'm new to Star Wars, will google/wiki a bit to understand the game a bit more although I know it's not compulsory but will help somehow.[DOUBLEPOST=1499513507][/DOUBLEPOST]Lynch: CaptainCremer

My random vote to start things

Thanks, that clears a lot of it.

I find it a bit odd that you lynched me just because I lynched but since it's Day 1 I'll take in a light way.

I'll post my thoughts about the intro once on PC.

I echo this.


Nothing more can I add to what you and Rudolph said, it's Day 1.

Well I just noticed GetToDaChoppa is banned? @Jack Ryder

Sad to see one more go, can we still take this forward?

Lot of effort has been put in by JR I belive he must be the most disappointed with this. Best I could suggest is a new game with the same setup and less players who agree to be super active during the game otherwise it just gets boring plus we'd still have few reserves.

Taking it forward and rapid:
No Lynch
Don't see any other safer option for now since we basically have nothing, no use discussing(kidding around/random votes etc) and stretching the day.

Positive side of it is the cop gets a chance(pretty sure there'd be one) and we might have a doc/RB too so not really easy for the mafias to get a night kill, I'm up for discussion too but we have nothing except the write up. Maybe we can pressurize someone?

What should we talk/argue about? I'll still try to get something out.

@asprin Reason to stick with your random vote? Best I could make out of it is you're a Daycop who got him as a mafia.

Fair enough but I think he has responded already?

I don't seem to get the odd/even formula honestly, if we're unsure and clueless why should we lynch? Given how big the setup is I'm afraid to take chances for now as I'm sure there are quite a few PRs which we would not like to lose even before Night 1. Also we have nothing solid against anyone plus nobody has sounded that scummy to me which'd force me to lynch him/her.[DOUBLEPOST=1499683746][/DOUBLEPOST]Hence my decision stays.

Write-up isn't long but pretty clear and on point. It's pretty much the mafias tried to kill but got role blocked/doc saved the target. I haven't played a single game where the mafias did not have a power to kill, would be very rare if they went for a NK on night 1. If they didn't kill then maybe we have a Vigilante/third party SK who tried to kill. Either way one of them went for the kill as the write-up says 'shot was fired'.

Even if the mafias went for a kill that doesn't mean we don't have a third party, maybe a one shot killer?

That's too scummy to ask the Cop to claim at this stage but again which mafia would ask for the Cop to claim? I'll wait for what others think and have a decision.

If you're suggesting it being town: only way it could work is if we have a Doc in the game which we are clearly unsure about. And it would make sense only if he got a scum, if he got someone as a townie that is of no use as it clears 1/12.

Serial killer?

Yes.

Actually, what I meant by my post was there's still a possibility of having a one shot town/third party killer in the game.

Exactly, BTW half of the players are still yet to post while I've seen some reading the thread and leaving.

I don't know what to make of it? If you can't invest minutes for the game, shouldn't have signed up and wasted ours. I'd rather lynch the non contributors either way they are no help/non existent and make the game boring(which is not what we play for).

That sounds right, I don't mean to say you should be here all the time but only 5-10 minutes a day going through the post and posting something shouldn't hurt anyone.

Honestly, I'd rather lose by lynching them if that makes the game interesting and fun to play as that's what we are here for.[DOUBLEPOST=1499931574][/DOUBLEPOST]Sorry for whole post in bold, it happened by mistake somehow due to me posting through my old phone.

Alright, I'll sleep for the rest of the game and just vote when it's required. Deal?

I was up for discussion on Day 1 and one of the few who tried something and I was never eager to end Day 1. There were quite a few who were eager to end the day but you don't seem to question them.

Yes, I'm not happy with the activity not frustrated. You can think whatever you like as I have no control over that.[DOUBLEPOST=1499935543][/DOUBLEPOST]And what a great tactic of a mafia it'd be to suggest people to lynch the non existent.

Somebody got it, thanks.[DOUBLEPOST=1499936118][/DOUBLEPOST]
Yes that seemed a bit odd too and so did his tactic for the Cop to come out later defending by saying he/she should indirectly get the name out but that's risky too. I'll wait for his answer.

Fair enough, good to see some good activity finally.[DOUBLEPOST=1499950179][/DOUBLEPOST]Only @Varun left to post something brief, has played under the radar and went away swiftly after a no lynch decision with a not so convincing reason to do so.

I'd like to clear that it was out of frustration to see such low activity especially when I saw few were online, posting in other threads but still nothing out here. We play this as it's interesting and fun to play but due to few people's inactivity it gets abandoned/dead slow which makes all the time we put into it useless. I did not ask anyone to lynch based on nothing, it was just my point of view at that time to lynch the inactive as I said I'd lynch not forcing people to lynch. It becomes very easy for them to slip away and we end up with having no read on them(makes it tougher for town PRs).

Having 2-3 pressure votes against someone shouldn't hurt as that's how we got the scum out in past few games, that was my suggestion not blindly going for someone. Hope that clears most of it.

Yes it's Yashdude101, last game I played before these 2-3 games this month was in around 2014. I used to get all the wrong attention on me due to my aggressive nature and posting I've controlled it a lot now since we are 3 years ahead.

Way too many things happened here since I last logged in, will post my thoughts either tonight or early morning tomorrow. Thanks.

Thing was I had AliB's role in the previous game which was town hence obviously I would go after the ones who lynched him based on nothing. Secondly, I did not lynch him/her before they could have their say which both of you guys did in that game on Day 1.[DOUBLEPOST=1500053769][/DOUBLEPOST]Just answering to a question raised still yet to go through everything, will post something in brief tomorrow morning.

I've read everything till page 21, Rudolph's frustration indicates he might be a townie. I might be wrong about him. I only find it very odd of him to ask people to character claim which gives the game away so easily to the mafias/third party. Either way I'm still not convinced to lynch him.

FP has been valuable and has helped the game a lot, he's the only cleared townie to me at the moment.



@asprin. He has not helped, had made zero efforts to take the game forward. He hardly seem to care about people character claiming, just seem to be playing very safe and jumping onto the obvious first it was me and now Rudolph. I don't think he's a mafia probably a third party with no team member mentioned. Pretty laid-back with everything else as well.

Very sorry for my inactivity, was on a small weekend road trip. I've read till page 25, amazed with the activity and sorry for not adding much when I myself requested people to be active. I'll answer the questions asked to me first and then go through rest of the pages plus post what I think about the current situation.

As Swack said I made it very clear in my previous post, PE is being replaced while the other @zwarrior has tried and given some input in comparison. Hence I targeted you specifically also your replies are no help either. As someone said you posted only after I questioned you, you still don't care about what others are up to. Either you're just a careless townie or a bad scum. I'm not someone who judges based on the previous games but you're acting the same as you were in them where you played the negative part.

Sorry again for the low activity, was busy installing Windows, updating drivers etc for my new PC. I promise to be active enough from now on. Thanks.

Here and yes a bit of gaming and regular use. Not that powerful machine though, low-mid range.

Sorry for going off-topic.

Asprin quite clearly never sounded town, not sure what was he hiding really.

I went through everything, will be posting my detailed analysis covering each and everything tomorrow morning.

I've done my best to read everything till page 30.

FP - He had to get Rudolph lynched for his boss, JR confirmed it but I don't think it was for his boss. He said he's a third party, best I can get out of it is he gets to use his power once he gets Rudolph lynched which could be anything even a one shot kill. I don't know if a one shot third party killer is beneficial for the town or not.

Surendar - He claimed to be a VT, I mean how could you? I feel he's faking it, he's much more experienced to give it away that easily to the mafias. He's a mafia/third party or a town PR, there's no way he could be a VT.

Pacman - Difficult to judge mainly because of her posts which have been very less and the reason have been given by FP. Same thing goes for Zwarrior, very hard to judge and the same can be said for me.

El Loco - He hasn't looked scummy to me, takes time to make a decision and has went against pretty much everyone.

JR's post says 'I had to give something different after Rud was mod-killed' which could well mean just a name replacement, get someone else lynched? It seems like an easy way out for you to say forget everything I said till date because those things get you under the radar of most people. He even mentioned 'for the reasons I can't tell' while your old posts speak none of it, you've been saying my job is just to get him lynched for no reason.

Well I'm a scum now to you just because I questioned your actions while you did not answer what I asked you. You sounded town to me back then that is around 10 pages ago not now after I went through rest of the pages. You've also become very defensive for some reason.

What you don't realize is I have not been active and my previous post taking you as town was after I went through those first 20 pages and my next post after I read those remaining 10-15 pages. You've become very defensive and are trying to play the old inactive card.

May I ask you what have I done for you to get other people's views on me? Questioning FP?[DOUBLEPOST=1500540387][/DOUBLEPOST]I have no idea where @Simon is.

It could be the Cop investigated someone and got nothing solid or the mafias went for Asprin assuming he has a PR. It says 'they' hence it can't be an individual so probably the scums.


This is hinting towards the people who lynched him?

@Fake Passport Your accusation about asprin being killed after I went for him, well I never had a lynch on him and his general play was scummy so I don't even blame others who lynched him. Major reason why you still look scummy to me is because you started creating baseless things against me contradicting your previous statement on the same day where I sound town to you.

Sorry for these many posts.

Spoiler: ISO-El Loco

In.

Very sorry for the late reply. Role received.

I must admit I usually instinctively take such intros to be for flavour purposes but a few have made an effort to decipher it which is always a fail-safe way of getting discussion off the ground so fair play.

Since this is a pretty decent sized set-up compared to typical games here I don't think this is a simple Town-Mafia affair.
As town obviously the mentality is always us v them anyway, but given the time Jack Ryder has spent on it and the uniqueness he alludes to, third parties and self-aligned individuals are sure to throw a spanner in the works I think.

Glass houses as I've been pretty late to join the game, but I thought we were past people signing up without knowing if they're going to be active? Evidently not.

Not too concerned with a no lynch on the first day given the size of the set-up and the fact that we have an even number of players.

Would be appreciative of a bit more discussion but these pull-outs seem to have steered the game off track a little, looks like set-up talk is all that has been dabbled in thus far.
Not taking it with a pinch of salt though, can be very good reads on players if they have an agenda behind the suggestions they are making.

No one is ever eager to be decisive on Day 1, it's always been like that. Sometimes you just have to cross your arms and sit the day out, not really fun if you've been stoked to partake after signing up and a nice write-up for flavour.
This feels like I'm making a forced filler post more than anything so I'll definitely refrain from now on.

Surely nobody ever intentionally soft-claims vanilla lol.
But soft-claims in general are a good idea, a no kill is never a good reason for the town to let their guard down.
I think I've seen enough roles with quirks in them not be lulled into a false sense of security.
I don't have an issue with CaptainCremer wanting to move the game forward, but personally calling someone to out is always a red flag.

All I can point this to at this point though is perhaps a roleblock or a doctor of some sort, you usually get indications of this by somebody going after someone they think they targeted in the night, or being over-friendly/fiercely protective of the person they protected, but the justification will only be in the mind of the person making the accusation, so that is something to cautiously watch out for.

As for the notion that prolific posters can be more scummy than inactive ones, it makes the game very difficult because sometimes even those playing as town find a way to incriminate themselves which has gotten very frustrating in the past.
I think Swacker expressed something along similar lines on Day 1 where he said he didn't want to post for fear of being aggressive for no reason? (Take me up on this if i've misquoted you).
This is why I try to analyse play with a bit more scrutiny now but it really is a pain in the rear.

Have I given the impression that I'm pushing for a lynch? Not that I'm confirming or denying that I am, just wondering why you think so.

If this were my first game with Villain (formerly Yashdude right?) I'd take him up on his play without question. I tend to find him find overzealous at times especially when approached, sometimes needlessly, and that's led me to either lead a lynch against him or exploit his play and use it in my favour when I've played as Mafia against him in the past, along with the slightly unconventional propositions.
Not to let it slide, but just thinking out loud since at the end of the day I've got to offer my opinion on as many people in the game as I can. Besides, I don't see any obvious motives in anyone's posts although I wonder if anyone thinks otherwise.

I'd also like to ask why @CaptainCremer thought me posting twice constituted as a 'very insightful' contribution? All I suggested was that a no lynch wouldn't be the end of the world since we had an even number of players. Not having a go, curious at this point is all.

Finally, I can't really ever remember the very first lynch of a game ever being made with proper conviction. Not everybody will be in agreement, different people will push on others for different reasons. My point is that whoever makes a lynch at this stage is either accepting a risk or trying to get a free townie kill, there isn't really an in-between, PR discoveries aside of course.
So can the people who are waiting to be sure, be sure that they'll be sure when it comes down to it?
I don't know what I just said in that previous sentence, it made sense in my head.

It's just a needless filler post.
The game is themed so characters from said theme are going to be assigned to us - given.
Then goes on to name and describe the most widely-known protagonist from the franchise. Am I any the wiser for reading that post?
Set-up talk becomes threadbare if you continue to dwell on it in this way.

FOS: Rudolph

Are Sith and Mafia not one and the same thing? Anyway as far as I'm concerned anyone anti-town is a lynchworthy.

Rudolph is posting the same old pseudo-cryptic non-sense that he usually does, I never really entertain or engage with facetious behaviour.
He has a knack of locking someone in a spat and then as a result it takes centre stage and everybody gets reeled in, and it usually comes to nothing, or a townie getting lynched at worst.

Why the furore about win conditions? If anti-town are eliminated that's all that matters in my mind.

Just to be clear, Fake Passport stated that his win-con included eliminating all the Mafia without loss of a townie?
Being the sceptic I am, it could easily be a calculated attempt at giving more legitimacy to his townie status. Seldom do you get a townie willing to be so transparent early on in a game.

Steady on, it was just a phrase I coined lol



Well, I see you getting nice and cosy with Rudolph as if you're so sure of his alignment at this stage of the game. That could easily be seen as exploitation of this very altercation in the opposite way.

Can you refer me back to the phrase in question please?

The game has opened up a bit now in an unusual way, which can be advantageous but depends on how every townie views the dynamic of the game right now.
Polarisation is a bit of an issue and a lot has happened since everybody as a whole chipped in with analysis of preceding events so I'd like to sit back just for a while before I make a move, but I'll try to be as decisive as I can.

Ok, straight off the bat I don't buy that one bit. Feeble reasoning at best. It's perfectly rational to assume that every player in the game is aware of the Sith regardless.
Nevermind if Rudolph's claim itself is believable or not, your reason for trusting it is bizarre. But then you also have the nerve to go and try and poke holes somebody else's reasoning.
There are ways of gauging if players are working in the best interests of the town or not. The extent to which they are willing to concur with other suggestions is one.

FOS: Surendar

And there is my point, you were aware that the Sith existed as an entity when you received your role, as was everybody else.
I'm not sure you even know what I was describing when I labelled his posts as 'pseudo cryptic'. I simply thought he was posting a load of gibberish and leaving it up in the air in some sort of attempt at surrounding it with a mystical aura.

I'll put this particular concern to bed right here though because I don't want more needless drivel being added and other players not being able to keep track of what's going on.

Now that I've had a think about it:

Lynch: Surendar

Bottom line is he's willing put his trust in the right/wrong person (yet to be ascertained), for the wrong reasons.
I doubt if Rudolph has an opinion on the matter. If anything, he's probably excited at the fact that someone actually supports the legitimacy of his claim. Would be nice if he had the ability to see past it though.

It is still my intention to fully dissect other people's play, I still have things to take up with FP, Mrs P and CC. I'll press on with that on Day 2, this is sticking out like sore thumb to me right now and besides I don't think I can make as strong a case as I can for Surendar atm.

If other people's attentions are focused elsewhere then there's not much I can do other than justifying the above.
There's enough people in the game to reach a majority without me, so I'm sticking to my guns with this one for the mo.



Provocative claptrap is all this is and a few of you are entertaining it. All he did in his last post was paste in a series of quotes and immediately come to a conclusion, probably without even justifying to himself, let alone anyone else.

Acknowledging the accusers concern (without expressing the need to address it, I might add) but then also spinning it back on them to try and put them in a bad light in the process.
Two birdies, one stone?

You'll often find that Mafia establish a superficial trust in someone they think is town by supporting their thoughts/logic and sometimes perhaps even attempting to mirror them.
This is the case, I feel, with Surendar.

And of course a townie is always going to warm to somebody who they think is corresponding with them, as opposed to the rest of the town who are still sceptical because they are none the wise about the set-up and are reluctant to place confidence in any one person.

Fair enough. But whether you're Mafia or not, I'm sure you could've found something at least a bit more watertight to endorse because I felt like I was taking it apart as I was reading it, it really doesn't hold up to be honest.

I don't think CaptainCremer, Varun and Surendar cannot all be Vanilla at the same time, but I do not really have knowledge when it comes to how a balance can be struck in themed set-ups.
Don't really understand why Surendar felt compelled to claim either.

How do you explain the following?

^Correction.
Don't think so many people can claim a role for which there is finite quantity. Especially given the fact that it looks like Rudolph did the same in the post I quoted too.

I feel strongly about the fact that you shouldn't be allowed to do what you just did to get yourself out of hot water since you're the one who landed yourself in it.

But since you acted in a similar way in a previous game where you were town, I held off engaging with you as I knew I'd get the same facetious replies that you responded with.
Although you're approach hasn't counted for nil as it brought Surendar to the fore (in my opinion anyway), I'm sure you'll agree it's not the best way to go about things.
Something for you to reflect on.

Go do some digging yourself mate, are you not part of the game?

A bit selfish, but the same does cross my mind every so often when someone decides they want to wreak havoc in a similar way.
Here's the thing though, did your win-con not include finishing the game with no townie casualties and solely Mafia ones? Correct me if I'm chatting out of my rear. Against your best interests is it not?

No need for that. You decided to play the game in a certain way and it led you to this situation. Now you have to face the music.

Varun doesn't need to 'lean on' anybody to target you. I'm sure he independently took you up on your gameplay, before I did as a matter of fact.
I had a hunch that Rudolph was town only after you started warming to him, initially I wasn't even taking into account his posts with regards to my overall view of the state of play but you changed that when you started supporting him on the basis of something so feeble that I'm surprised more people haven't pulled the rug from under your feet till now.


He's obviously trying legitimise his claim in a bizarre way.
@surendar I'd say the reason you didn't mention a character 'name'/tag/alias/description/whatever is because you simply don't have one.

Does pee me off that Rudolph felt the need to c+p in his entire Role PM, especially because he more or less wholly contributed to his own undoing. But I am a believer in that only gameplay and gameplay alone should be what lets you off the hook. It's not fair on others otherwise.

If anyone believes the above claim is sincere, please categorically say so.

Except you know that's not the full story.
Fair play though, props for having the quick the thinking to dig out an old post and relate it to your hastily put together claim, but it won't cut it this time, sorry.

Your thoughts on the dialogue regarding Surendar, perhaps?

I accept that you have you own play to sort out but you have a knack of re-focusing attention back to yourself I feel.


Of course he was town aligned because if you're Mafia you'd pretty much know he was. Anyway, why shouldn't I have a right to be a bit cynical in a way because I have no idea what alignment anyone else is, and all I can do is analyse play. Besides, at most I criticised his play as facetious and unnecessary and you can look back and see that.

As Mafia you know who your buddies are, your going to make the logical decision that anyone other than those in your Mafia nightchat are most likely going to be town, so you're going to correspond with them.
I'm not even quoting to respond directly back to you at this point, it's only to justify my concerns to everybody else.

Don't think everyone gets the full picture here.
In a nutshell, Surendar supported Rudolph as town merely because he mentioned the word 'Sith' in one of his posts. He reasoned to himself that this must automatically make him a townie because apparently nobody else would mention the word without some kind of inside knowledge. However, then he went on to say that he, just as everybody else, was aware of the Sith as soon as he received his role, thereby contradicting himself. Go back and look through his posts to affirm this.
Then, if you want futher proof, go back and look at his excuse for a roleclaim here. Please anybody tell me if they believe this is legit.

The fact that Rudolph has been revealed as town is totally besides the point. If anything it strengthens my case. Surendar's willingness to back somebody on something for such a shoddy reason is so absurd it beggars belief.

Just to shed a bit more light, Surendar probably felt that backing a non-mafia/townie while everyone else is on their tail would give him a bit more validity.
He could sense that Rudolph was likely going to be lynched due to his behaviour and he was waiting for that moment to come where he could say "Look at me I supported a townie with his claim while you all didn't, I must be a townie!".
Backing a townie that everyone is pressurising is an excellent Mafia tactic, but his stated reasons for doing so are where it all falls apart IMO.

I conceded the fact that everyone has their own agenda at the end of the day but I still find it a bit frustrating that no one is at least acknowledging said dialogue.
All of what you said there holds up, but I feel like I'm almost having to tunnel Surendar now, to get the town's attention.

Asprin came under fire towards the end for basically just trying to parry every accusation aimed at him with question after question almost like a rebound. I thought the Mafia train of thought would be to leave him in the game so that the town can lead a lynch against him instead since he was already under the scum radar. Can only think that they had some reason to believe that maybe he had a PR or something. That is on the presumption, of course, that every Mafia kill in this game has some sort of logic behind it.
If anyone was going to die tonight, I definitely did not think it would be asprin. I was sort of half-fearing it would be me since I inadvertently ended up tunneling Surendar. Again, I don't think my suspicions were unfounded but I felt like it wasn't being acknowledged and I ended up going on a bit of a tirade.
I see Surendar trying use the fact that I was trying to lynch him to incriminate me, as if I made it a secret/was covert about it in the first place lol.

Of course Fake Passport would align himself with town to prevent himself from getting lynched. If I didn't know who the Mafia were in a game my next targets would indeed be the third parties.
However, I don't buy the idea that Jack Ryder would add in another townie and potentially mess with the balance of the game which he so meticulously went to the effort of getting right before he started the game.
FOS: Fake Passport

As for Villain, he has more or less remained impartial for the whole game and has shown eagerness to get discussion off the ground. I think he is leaning town for me at the moment. All this could well be a calculated effort to appear well-intentioned but I don't really have any reason to call it out as that.

It's unfair to 're-balance' the game once it has already started to take it's course. It's not a simple case of throwing what might be a seemingly more complex theory to you - out the window.


By the way you quoted my post I can instantly surmise that you probably haven't even properly examined the contents of it. As for reasons, you've obviously missed out a whole page or two of rants, go back and look for yourself.
Trying to get people to reiterate things they've already expressed is pretty suspicious, perhaps a ploy to divert attention I don't know, not withstanding the fact that I've it covered so much that I feel like I've exhausted anything else I can say about it.

Spoiler: ISO-zwarrior

Role received.

If you want to have a read on someone, you/we need to start atleast arguments. Just going off with No Lynch means no one will talk and we can't read them.


Sorry, why did you lynch him ? I missed your post.

Yes.[DOUBLEPOST=1499686227][/DOUBLEPOST]
Anything. Like what we are doing now. Surely, in some way or other mafias will slip out.

No way someone will role claim right now. It's too risky.

I meant talking about the game. I thought it was obvious and people will understand it. My mistake, I should have mentioned it explicitly for some people who can't understand that.

Anyway, No Lynch

It's either a doctor protected someone or role blocker blocked a mafia.


How can you tell cop tried to shoot someone ? Cop just investigates someone and gets the result. He does not have option to kill/shoot someone.


Nope. That would mean mafias will get to know them and the town PR will be at risk.

Oh ok. Sorry, I missed it as I haven't watched Star Wars. Ya, there might be some new roles in this setup.

Ok look, assume that all posts their investigation results, then atmost one mafia could be identified. (i.e, with help of - doc protecting someone and role blocker blocking someone), what about others ? How do we know how many mafias are there in this setup ? I am pretty sure for a 12/13 people setup, there won't be just 1 mafia.

What I feel is, "Lot of murmurs" means, maybe there is some 3rd party involved like serial killer or mimes?
"shot didnt reach target" means mafia or sk shot at someone, but it didn't reach target as doc protected / roleblocker blocked someone.

Also while writing this, I got some theory. Maybe there is no serial killer ? Because there was no kill on night. So, if there are both mafias and sk, atleast one kill should have happened. And it will be a huge coincidence that both sk and mafia kills were blocked or they both targeted the same person.

Tbh, they both might have posted that due to frustration of players not being active here.

That is my gameplay. I normally post/analyze the setup and then go for people on whom I have suspicions. Since, in this game there is no much detail on the writeups, I am being held back. Ofcourse, I have few suspicions on some guys, but not enough to lynch someone. And I lynch only when I am sure. That's why in my posts, I have tried to make sense of what happened and what the setup could be.

If we know or have an idea about setup, then we can know the different roles available and can pin point the players for that role. As day progress, we will have more to dig into and have some clues.

What does this mean ?

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What I feel is, Rudolph is playing safe. Normally, he posts a lot and tries to create arguments, but he isn't. I might be wrong here, but hey, this is a start. That is one thing I feel off from him. And Villain is posting aggressively. Always trying to push others, which is good I agree, but I feel he is trying too hard. And I understand about Evil's issue, but that's definitely a negative image on me. I remember FakePassport using this logic ( I am outside, I will post my views later ) in that Expert cop thing( dethy cop or something) where he was mafia and he kept on telling this. Maybe, Evil is trying for the same thing ?

So, FOS : Rudolph, Villain. Strong FOS: Evil

Currently I feel that Fake, Loco, MrsPacman, Surendar to be town and have no reads on Swacker, Cremer, Varun, Asprin.

Yup. That's why I have put only FOS on him to just get him to post his views once he is online.

And I understand about activity (that is about education,work). I have a day-work and i will be busy too. I just FOSed him so that he can talk. Not because of his low activity.

Ok guys. I genuinely apologize for my inactivity. I know how frustrating it is to have inactive member as I have been on the other end too. In my defense, I had said to Jack about this before joining. I was offline from PC. It's not like I was online and I chose not to post in this thread. Still, it's no good and I should have contributed more to this game.

Coming to game, I honestly went through all the posts. (It's almost 2am here and Saturday) I want to reread all the posts on a clear mind before actually start posting. But, since it's already too late (since posting) and I want to contribute, I have picked out 2 things (others have pointed too) but I haven't been able to quite grasp it..

1- The way Mrs Pacman lynched cremer. I didn't find any valid reason on why she did that. At that point, Cremer was under few people's radar. Was she just cashing on it hoping others would join? Note that I am not defending cremer. I am just wondering why she chose him to lynch as I did not find any reasons other than 'consensus candidate'.

2- About Fake's claiming. He claimed that all town need to be alive and mafias need to die in order for him to win or something in that grounds. I also want town to win, but how can the town win without losing their teammate ? This is a huge setup and town cannot win without losing one of its own (as harsh as it sounds, it's true). So, I don't think Jack will give anything like that to anyone. What I am feeling is, he is role claiming a role which he is sure no one will get so that he can be safe. I just don't buy this claim. So,

FOS: Fake.
I am not going to lynch before getting a reply.

And, I read few arguments between loco, varun, cremer, surendar and tbh, it's all blurry to me. I need to reread about those things again to post something on those topics which I cannot do today unfortunately.

Ok guys. I read all posts and I am digging up some old posts. Please bear with me. For some reason, tags are not working (so I have bolded the names to whom I have questions). I have written these points as I was going through all the posts and I have made note of those points during the same time. That's why it may not look sensible, but since I missed lot of things, I felt this is the best way to go. From next post onwards, I will directly quote.

1- Post #274- Varun, you said cremer is town for some reason you did not mention. Mind giving now ? ---- (It is cleared after reading some posts). But varun, isn't there any chance that even mafias could have received characters as nameless ? I feel someone should not be cleared of mafias just by this reason alone.

2- Seeing Surendar's post [HASHTAG]#298[/HASHTAG], I am having doubts on varun and cc alliance too.

3- Again mrspacman, you did not give reason for lynching cc. care to explain why ? I asked you before yet you did not respond. Maybe you missed it ?

4- I see that even swacker cleared them just by seeing nameless characters in post [HASHTAG]#326[/HASHTAG]. Just noting my observations.

5- And I agree to surendar's post [HASHTAG]#347[/HASHTAG]. Just nameless characters is not enough to clear as town. I feel surendar is town here at this point.

6- To Varun #395- So, he claimed vt, and you are lynching him on that reason ? What I mean is, is that one of the reason for you lynching him ? If so, why ? I have a strong feeling that one of varun, cc and el loco are mafias at this point.

7-In post [HASHTAG]#407[/HASHTAG], loco said he had a hunch that rudolph was town, but he didn't post anything that suggested otherwise. This is a classical scummy post.

8- And surendar did post that by replying to me ( about seeing sun, mooon, star) . refer [HASHTAG]#408[/HASHTAG]. But him trying to link that post to his role claimed character is a bit fishy. I had him town but after seeing this post, I am not so sure now. This role claim by surendar has changed my views drastically.

9- To fake, can you clarify what you are claiming ? Did not understand properly. You said JR changed your win condition. So, does it change every time ? And why are you claiming the role now ?

10- I seriously am confused about surendar after seeing [HASHTAG]#422[/HASHTAG]. It is true that cc linked with varun since beginning.

11- [HASHTAG]#423[/HASHTAG], cc lynched asprin. Agreed asprin hasn't posted much ( even me), is that a pressure vote or what ? As far as I see, I dont see any issue with how asprin responded. Same with swacker. ( I am questioning about lynching him)

12- [HASHTAG]#437[/HASHTAG], el loco's post makes valid sense and have me doubt that surendar is mafia,

I am pretty sure one of surendar or varun is mafia. I had surendar as town but since he role claimed and linked it to his first post, I am a bit suspicious on him.

Right now, I have my eyes on Surendar, Varun, Mrs Pacman, FakePassport.

But FOS: Mrs Pacman ( Reason is stated above )

1- First you claimed, all mafias should be killed without loosing any town was your first role claim. Then when rudolph died, you changed your role claim. Really not sure what to believe.

2- Second, if you manage to lynch rudolph, you win. You did (he was mod killed), and now JR changed your win condition. Now, assuming what you role claimed recently is true ( that is, you win if you manage to lynch someone) , then why do we need you ? For your benefit, you won't even think for a second before lynching another townie. Yes, your win condition could be lynching a mafia too, but we can't really say that. So, if your win condition is managing a lynch on a townie, then you will try your best to lynch a townie and there is no need for you in this game as we can't risk loosing another townie just like rudolph. So, tell me. Why does the town need you ?

What I am trying to say is, if you what role-claimed is true, then town doesn't need you. You can stab in the back for townies and lynch a townie just like you did with rudolph.

Can't say that. Everything will be randomized. So, I believe he(JR) will pick your target randomly. And yeah. Lynching you will not be beneficial for town, but the town clearly can't trust you at this point because your next target might be some townie itself.. This is all assuming that your recent role claim is indeed 'true'.

Also can you please tell me at which page did Jack post that ? ( The one which you have used his quote in the above post). I have missed that. So,

Thanks. I didn't know that.


Just because he described himself as "town aligned third party". But now that Jack has confirmed it, I think it is true. But as I said before, it will be difficult to trust him as he will try to lynch a person whom jack has said to him. And that might affect the town.

Well. I think someone( Varun maybe?) actually did that. Not the "A wing pilot stuff" but following the nameless character thing. I am not saying what he did was doubtful behaviour, but just noting down that point.

Spoiler: ISO-swacker

Received.

Lynch Villian

Just because he has it as username.

yea, you are suppose to have decision on Day 0 as well.

Can't believe you're taking my posts seriously. What I mean is, it's always good to have discussion on Day 0.

btw @asprin you need to calm yourself, I play around in the early part of any game so don't freak out for being sarcastic.

I wonder how the set-up is, considering we have 13 players.

This. Although, as much as you want to add I don't want to find my way being aggressive for no reason.

It's kinda interesting how you're analysing posts on Day 0 itself. Not sure what you're in for.

Wow, no Night 1 deaths? That's not happened in quite a while...

There's really nothing to go off of right now, so I guess we just wait for others to post.

You found Villain suspicious just because he lynched you on Day 1? Not only did you lynch him back but wanted him to unlynch you.

yea, in my previous games, people (townies) see aggressive as definitely scam.

Despite answering to others' questions which I had answers, found myself being lynched.

Are you telling you received a name for your role? I was convinced that CC and Varun are town, based on just that too.

And how sure are you about mafia having nameless characters for fake claim?

What is that suppose to mean?

You claimed that CC has generic character name too, how's that?

Easy there cowboy, let him speak.[DOUBLEPOST=1500105406][/DOUBLEPOST]

And why would you lynch CC? :/

Lynch Rudolph

Finding a way out from whatever situation he got into.

I think he made the reasons pretty clear for targeting you and Rudolph now.

It's not the first time I saw you are questioning things which are obvious.



yea, but do you think that was worth a lynch based on fake claim. You made a judgement, does that mean it is been proved?



Based on that, people advising others not to claim is more on the scum side than ever, though not by much. It seems as if those people jump onto them, advising them not to claim, when they actually do want a claim, but say not to claim to blend in with the crowd.

You are asking the reasons again when he had told it before. You need to back your thought and answers which won't be anti-town.



yea, turned out that you were mafia. Is this how you normally play or you do when you are mafia?

What kind of gameplay is that?

Mate, you need to ease out, he'd his thoughts when CC questioned. You yourself agreed with it and now you want a proof for why he finds you scummy?



I will quote you back and I do agree with what Villain said.[DOUBLEPOST=1500137854][/DOUBLEPOST]

And I have no idea what you are trying to prove.

You would have agreed with whatever Villain said, if only you were one to do. Doesn't that mean you do agree?



Surely, who do you think they are?



Idk how sure you are with that. Can you prove why he's mafia?



It was an opinion, it isn't related with you but is with members in general.[DOUBLEPOST=1500187877][/DOUBLEPOST]

btw, Congrats

You said you could quote at least two.

Lynch asprin

I don't see a valid reason why I shouldn't, for now.

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@Jack Ryder

The fact that you took a mystery box and put it in front of us, waved it around, pretty much went "Haha, let me tell you who I am" and then snatched it away without telling us what you are. I'm saying here that you hinted about your role, then took it back, basically brought the curiosity. That play is considered suspicious by some.

The point that you are questioning me when I am trying to explain why others are targeting you, is weird.

Which one you got? :S Gaming?



Do you think asprin was helping town in any way?

Haven't read much of posts, will add my thoughts soon. (I am away atm)

Spoiler: ISO-Varun

*Lynch* @User2010

Mafia.

Guys lynch Modi2010...

I don't really know a lot of people here, so I'll take my time to have a read on everyone. No lynch though.

There's not a lot we can talk about on Day 1 though.

Hi, sorry for being so inactive. I haven't been able to stay online.

Considering this is Star Wars and theme might have had at least some influence on the roles, we can't say what prevented the kill. Though I most likely think that it was a bulletproof, rb, or doctor.

It is possible that there is a third party if Jabba the Hutt is in the game. The bad guys are obviously Darth Vader, Grand Moff Tarkin, Darth Maul/Boba Fett/Stormtrooper/Snoke. Han Solo, Chewie, Luke, Leia, Obi-Wan would be among the good characters.

I don't think Villain or Fake Passport are mafia. It's a little difficult to tell right now. I'd keep my eyes peeled for surendar, zwarrior, and CaptainCremer. The latter suggested that someone should reveal results which is of course a terrible idea so early in the game.

Yep, it's the sith/mafia who should be eliminated. I at least haven't got a 'name' for my alignment, but I'm guessing it's the rebels. It's no use asking though. If you're giving it away, then everyone will claim the same.

Jack Ryder also said that you don't need to know all the characters to play the game.

I'm also sure that the story spans the first three movies for sure. But I doubt it matters that much.

That's a rather odd win-con. Fake Passport is definitely on my radar right now.

I think CaptainCremer is town for reasons that I will clear later on.

Since no night kill took place last night, we can safely risk a lynch. Rudolph seems like a good bet right now, but I can't say because my wincon also says the sith should be eliminated. But even the mafia must be aware of it, it's very much possible.

@RUDOLPH you really need to chill, man. It's just a game. Don't take it personally. If you're town, then defend yourself. If you're mafia, well, all this makes sense..

How does the inactivity make a difference? I read everything before posting and I've slight town reads on both of them. I even followed that line with "I might be wrong." Let's not make this about targeting people who suspect you. I'm not going to lynch anyone without a solid reason.

CC


@surendar, this is why @CaptainCremer is likely town, and Rudolph is likely to be mafia if he's actually claimed vanilla townie.

That was just an initial read man, based on just superficial reasoning. I've no idea about everyone's playing habits, but you look unnecessarily aggressive right now.

I understood the sith/mafia elimination win-con, that's all he mentioned? Can you point me to where he said he's a vanilla townie without a particular name? Also, I doubt that there are three in this game.

I didn't bring it up.......everyone just said that he's claiming VT and he hasn't said anything against it. Besides, I mentioned that Rudolph has a chance of being a mafia if he claimed to be a VT. If he didn't, it's cool.

What? Just because your wincon is for all sith/mafia to be eliminated, you're not a vanilla townie. It's probably the win condition for the entire town (at least almost, depending on whether Fake Passport is lying or not) and not just the VTs. I know CaptainCremer and I are vanilla townies for a different reason, which is that our characters are nameless.

Okay Surendar is fishy af. I'm sure that the basic town win condition mentions the sith, and it will not be surprising if the mafia win condition goes like "the sith/empire wins on eliminating all the rebels"

Rudolph's apparently 'pseudo-cryptic' claim doesn't prove anything besides that there's a mention of the sith - the major Star Wars antagonist and nearly synonymous with Empire - in his role, much less than he's a vanilla townie or not mafia.However CaptainCremer and I are vanilla townies with generic character names (A-wing pilot etc instead of Luke or Leia).

I'm not really sure what surendar is going on. Rudolph *can* be lying. Even if he's mafia, it's not unlikely that he'd Google Sith up, and post about them in order to act clueless about the game. I've done it multiple times in the past too, it's not a big deal.

Anyway, more than Rudolph, surendar seems like a mafia.[DOUBLEPOST=1500103443][/DOUBLEPOST]

It was Senator Ruth Martin. I hosted the game...

My character is A-wing pilot, and not a proper noun like Luke, or Leia, or Han.

Because he has said it was the case. I'll quote the post when I'm online on PC.

This, @swacker

It is possible, it isn't necessarily the case. But I know for a fact that I'm a generic vanilla townie (A-wing pilot with no name), it is much more likely that @CaptainCremer is telling the truth. If you're a vanilla townie, CaptainCremer, it would become easier if you tell us your character too.

I did say I will not hesitate to lynch Rudolph, but I never claimed that I was 100% sure of what I was saying. Rudolph may very well be town, but I agree with El Loco that you don't seem to be now. Also massive FOS: FP because his huge post analysing the associations between the players doesn't really help much, it just gives the illusion that he's contributing. Again, I don't know anyone's playing style except surendar, El Loco, and swacker, so we'll see.

PresidentEvil can also be a mafia. But we can't really know until he starts posting. @Jack Ryder try replacing him? Maybe with @Simon?

lol surendar is definitely not a VT. Look at how comfortably he just mentioned that he's a VT when El Loco started pressurizing him while not dropping a single hint about it when I claimed as VT and "cleared" CaptainCremer earlier in the day.

I'm sure he's mafia, my vote goes likewise. Lynch: surendar

Rudolph is shady as fearsome tweak man and I'll switch my vote to him if everyone decides on lynching him. His tactics are really weird and his defense consists entirely of 'lynch me bleh this always happens', which I detest. I am tempted to believe Fake Passport for a bit, the last time I FOS'ed him I forgot that he has claimed to have a really unique wincon, which requires him to lynch a mafia (if I understand it correctly; if I don't, clear it out @Fake Passport).

I don't have any reads on aspirin, MrsPacman, and PresidentEvil for obvious reasons, but El Loco, CaptainCremer, and swacker look solidly town to me.

At least one out of surendar and Rudolph is definitely mafia, and I'm betting my chances it's surendar.[DOUBLEPOST=1500147227][/DOUBLEPOST]I didn't even realize @zwarrior is playing? We definitely need more activity from him too.

Rudolph

That was literally what we were going on about! That Vanilla Townies have a tweaking generic name. If only he knew how to play and had said it directly -_-

I'm sure surendar is mafia. He probably thought that Rudolph has a proper noun character and tried to use it to fake claim and go against CaptainCremer and me.



Rebel Fleet/Rebellion is the general term for the group of characters opposing the Empire/Sith, so nearly all the townies must be members of it.

What?

I don't get it. Are you claiming VT or not? If yes, then your point applies to yourself as well? That it's easiest role to fake claim.

CaptainCremer is town because he said that a VT would be a generic character, without any provocation to reveal so whatsoever. Since I'm also one, I agreed. Rudolph didn't make it clear that his role was a generic character, and you tried to use it against the both of us, and later claimed that you're a VT too. If you are, then it makes sense to at least discuss now why your character wouldn't be generic while other VTs clearly are as revealed by Rudolph's death.

And it's impossible to go back and read on specific statements. If you know for sure what you're asking me to read, then quote it too.

My declaration that CaptainCremer was town was based on the assumption that all the VTs are going to have generic names. I realize now that nearly all the characters may be generic, so that doesn't guarantee to me that CaptainCremer is town anymore. I still don't think he's overall been as scummy though. I'll have to reread the entire thread now, I'll post my thoughts in a while.

Trying to put ISOs to have better read on the happenings till now. Will go through them in a bit on these.

Did not realize myself, CC and FP are having 60-70 posts here, making the job of setting ISO tough for these 3. So haven't done these 3 yet & haven't done for Simon/MrsPacman for obvious reasons.

 

[SiriusBlack]

Omg I'm so sorry guys! I will be posting my thoughts asap. I really don't see myself reading in detail through all of the posts since the game started - I'll focus mostly on today's play and skim through the rest.

 

[SiriusBlack]

Reading through some of the previous days' play. I can see Loco's analysis of surendar being legit, as it can be quite simple to gain someone's trust by getting "town reads" on him while being mafia bc.. well you just know he's not mafia. Another thing I've seen mafia do and have been guilty of myself has been to not communicate as much with my partners in game. That said, while CaptainCremer and surendar can be seen to be quoting each other in "healthy" numbers in Rudolph's post, they haven't really gone too far into getting reads on each other. Mostly little bits of clarification and setup discussion but that's about it. Still about 10 pages behind from present, but this just stuck out to me..

 

[surendar]

I had my fos on pacman during my previous activity. Now that she is replaced, I will have to pick one from my list which I had posted. That is you, varun, fake. I got reply from you and fake.

What question did you ask me and what reply did I give you? I went through all your posts, am trying to understand this context. Throw some lights please.

 

[surendar]

@Simon - i have asked 'n' number of times, what is the connection between Varun and CaptainCremer. They both were in my FOS list and I opted to lynch Varun on previous day. So am not able to accept your view that I am distancing myself from CaptainCremer.

Frankly speaking, El Loco and Varun went against me on Day 2 because I refused to accept having common name is the criteria to clear one as town( which Varun strongly did to clear CaptainCremer as town). Funny thing is, Varun posted that same view of mine which I was debating on day 2 with him, on day 3. I was clearly been the target to find some reason to corner me.

If that is true, my take on this game would be -

• Varun is a third party aligned mafia having one of the conditions to get something from CaptainCremer. He has consistently linked Captain Cremer in almost all his posts exactly like how FP linked Rudi in all his posts. You cannot consistently link a person like that unless you had some motive to do so. VTs never do that.
• Two people have linked me - El loco and varun, definitely one or both of them are mafia aligned. If above first point is true, then probability of El Loco to be in mafia alignment is also high. He clearly defended Varun in one of the recent posts, when i tried to keep El Loco out of the picture during my replies to Varun.
• A-wing pilot is not convincing VT claim, I would expect some role in the base like FP said. I am not buying Varun's claim either.
• Lastly, I was the first one to strongly support Rudolph as town aligned when El Loco, Varun and FP were going against Rudolph's claim and they were actually lost on what Rudolph was claiming too. If I was Mafia, I will never openly try to support someone like that - am not that foolish enough.

I am convinced with assessment, my lynch on Varun stays.

 

[SiriusBlack]

@Simon - i have asked 'n' number of times, what is the connection between Varun and CaptainCremer. They both were in my FOS list and I opted to lynch Varun on previous day. So am not able to accept your view that I am distancing myself from CaptainCremer.

My suspicion wasn't even concrete bc as I said, I'm still getting up-to-date with this game. Jumping to your own defense at this is sure to raise eyebrows.

 

[RUDI]

Okay, what is your take on 3 teams involved in night roles/battle?

They tried their luck but couldn't find anything solid, the others thought they could jump on him but they undermined him and ensued a battle which went for a long time but in the end he was defeated.
@asprin is dead. He was Jedi Apprentice.
Day 3 Begins
10 remaining, 6 needed to lynch.

"they" plural
"others" also plural
and asprin was town.
Interesting with 10 remaining it could be possible to have a 2-2-6 setup or even a 3-2-5 setup. Difficult to say exactly, but worth investigating.

 

[surendar]

My suspicion wasn't even concrete bc as I said, I'm still getting up-to-date with this game. Jumping to your own defense at this is sure to raise eyebrows.

That is why I brought the exact post of mine for you to know about it, Simon. I never even mentioned I am having suspect on you because of your view, it is very obvious that you are trying to keep up the pace of this situation.

 

[El Loco]

El Loco and Varun went against me on Day 2 because I refused to accept having common name is the criteria to clear one as town

No I didn't, surely you know that was not the reason.
You know what, even though I haven't commented much on that matter itself, I think it is a legit concern that you have expressed. But the hypocrisy of you clearing Rudolph's previous role as town for an even more questionable reason than Varun's is what turned me against you on Day 2.
If you objected to Varun's willingness to confirm CC as town without coming up with your own controversial reasoning for confirming someone else as town, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid. Do you get me?

 

[surendar]

No I didn't, surely you know that was not the reason.
You know what, even though I haven't commented much on that matter itself, I think it is a legit concern that you have expressed. But the hypocrisy of you clearing Rudolph's previous role as town for an even more questionable reason than Varun's is what turned me against you on Day 2.
If you objected to Varun's willingness to confirm CC as town without coming up with your own controversial reasoning for confirming someone else as town, I wouldn't have batted an eyelid. Do you get me?

Glad you clarified this, I was in assumption that you guys not willing to accept that common character thing. If you just take mine and Varun's conversation, it was all about that. Varun stood by that point alone to clear CaptainCremer and today, he has said a polished statement "oh well, nothing scummy on Cremer".

And going back to "Sith" thing, look - there are players here with ZERO star wars knowledge including me. I tried to see force awaken movie directly skipping all the previous movies and it was very tough to follow the plot/storyline and I used wiki to understand that plot. So coming from ZERO star wars background, I cannot predict that JR would have "Sith/Mafia" as condition. If I was mafia, I will use the "Mafia" alone when I want to use that word and not "Sith/Mafia". May be, it is so easy for you to expect that word but, for me not. He could have used dark side, dark vader, vader, mafia or anything. You get my point? So I believed him.

@RUDOLPH - before you jump on this post, do not reply or speak of your old character as it is against the rules. Don't want another mod kill.

 

[El Loco]

And going back to "Sith" thing, look - there are players here with ZERO star wars knowledge including me. I tried to see force awaken movie directly skipping all the previous movies and it was very tough to follow the plot/storyline and I used wiki to understand that plot. So coming from ZERO star wars background, I cannot predict that JR would have "Sith/Mafia" as condition. If I was mafia, I will use the "Mafia" alone when I want to use that word and not "Sith/Mafia". May be, it is so easy for you to expect that word but, for me not. He could have used dark side, dark vader, vader, mafia or anything. You get my point? So I believed him..

I know your reason. I understand your reason. I have acknowledged it a million and one times.
Going back over it time and time again won't make me think it is valid though. Was the word Sith not mentioned in your role PM? Did you yourself not admit this? That is a mistake on your part my friend.