End Game Star Wars Mafia - End Mafia(Surendar) & Third Party (Fake Passport) Won

[Till Valhalla]

@RUDOLPH replaced @MrsPacman , no changes were made.

 

[surendar]

I know your reason. I understand your reason. I have acknowledged it a million and one times.
Going back over it time and time again won't make me think it is valid though. Was the word Sith not mentioned in your role PM? Did you yourself not admit this? That is a mistake on your part my friend.

I don't want to go back, simple. It is just going to cause confusion and two people(you and me) would be going round and round giving impression like FP and Rudolph of Day 1. It will not help the situation.

 

[Varun]

Guys, I'm really sorry. Something came up and I had to postpone reading the entire game for later. Here are some quotes I found remarkable followed by a general conclusion on the state of the game so far. I feel surendar, Fake Passport, and Villain are town and swacker is likely to be mafia, while El Loco, zwarrior, and CaptainCremer are still in the neutral zone.

No need to be familiar with the plot. I will be using new characters for it but the roles will be characterized in the world of Star Wars.

Googling their powers, Light and Dark side will be better as the characters are going to created by me.

So in hindsight, this essentially confirms that almost all the roles in the game are generic names. I think most of us didn't assume or expect it at first.

Wow, no Night 1 deaths? That's not happened in quite a while...

There's really nothing to go off of right now, so I guess we just wait for others to post.

This is the beginning of swacker's general lack of contribution to the game. He has been active, but hasn't really said much that would help the game move forward and has in general stayed under the radar.

I'm starting to think that there is no third party in this game. Unless they are heavily aligned to one side.

It does appear that most of us, if not all, have all been given interesting roles/conditions, along with our alignments.[DOUBLEPOST=1499910797][/DOUBLEPOST]

I just wanted to add to this that there are similar anti-town roles such as cults and mafia mason, which would loser match your description.

@CaptainCremer (I just realized you're swirler?) I'm interested in knowing how you arrived at these two conclusions.

At the very least you should have claimed something, what you've done is either soft claimed vanilla/3rd party or scum...

@Fake Passport what made you think that Rudolph soft claimed anything at all?

Alright, the way I see it I find three people to be suggesting things that are not town favorable.

CaptainCremer - for suggesting that the investigative PR should reveal something. Although he did change his approach later by suggesting the PR to reveal the investigated person indirectly, the idea itself is quite bold given that it's only Day 2.

Villain - He seems too eager to lynch someone. He was also very eager for the day to end on Day 1. This definitely raises the alarm as I find his reason to lynch based on activity of a person to be very scummy. Active or not, one should never underestimate the power of a vote. I'm, for that matter, totally against this and do not take anyone suggesting this lightly. Big FoS

FP - for supporting Villain with regards to inactive players. Though it is highly unlikely that a scum player would do that this openly, by agreeing with Villain he has put himself under the radar.

So aspirin was suspicious of CaptainCremer, Villain, and FP. Names to note.

That's a rather odd win-con. Fake Passport is definitely on my radar right now.

I think CaptainCremer is town for reasons that I will clear later on.

Since no night kill took place last night, we can safely risk a lynch. Rudolph seems like a good bet right now, but I can't say because my wincon also says the sith should be eliminated. But even the mafia must be aware of it, it's very much possible.

Okay so what I meant here was that CaptainCremer pointed out that the role must be a generic name, and as a vanilla who had a generic name I assumed he was town because I expected most of the roles in the game to be character roles. But since it doesn't seem likely now, it is possible that he knew this to be a fact because of being a part of the mafia, all of whom would have generic names as well.

I also understand why surendar cleared Rudolph. Because he specifically mentioned the word 'eliminated' along with 'sith', which checks out with my PM too. I thought @surendar was lying because he kept focusing on the sith part more than the specific phrasing, which seemed kinda spotty because the mafia are likely to know they're sith too. But this essentially checks surendar out as town now. He's been telling the truth, but Rudolph and him didn't state their points accurately enough (and well Rudolph quoted his PM so...). This makes me doubt @El Loco, who has largely seemed to have played a huge role in scumhunting, a little. I find it a little dubious that he'd miss this obvious fact too. But I can't say. I did, so he can too.

Since Fake Passport's claims have been pretty much exact, I'm tempted to believe him for now. Mrs Pacman seemed like town, so I hope Rudolph (her substitution) doesn't screw it anymore by quoting his PM or breaking any other rules, if he indeed is town.

One more thing. Aspirin's role wasn't revealed? We haven't been told he was a vanilla (correct me if I'm wrong) and we should assume that he had a night role, in line with being a Jedi Apprentice (basically Luke). I also noticed that two people pushing aspirin towards the end of the day were swacker and El Loco, and swacker essentially tried to target him for his activity with no other reason and even lynched him. El Loco might as well turn out to be mafia, but I think swacker is likely to be. I'll make a bold move and Lynch: swacker

Villain has mostly shown positive vibes this time, better than his usual playstyle a long time ago as Yashdude. I'm not sure of zwarrior, but he has seemed town. I'd definitely like to hear more from @Simon. surendar is town for sure.

 

[Fake Passport]

It's unfair to 're-balance' the game once it has already started to take it's course. It's not a simple case of throwing what might be a seemingly more complex theory to you - out the window.

Well, ok. I had a win condition, the game mod has explicitly said it was been completely changed. What I'm saying is any role he gives me rebalances the game. I'm not posting here as a spectator...

 

[Fake Passport]

@CaptainCremer (I just realized you're swirler?) I'm interested in knowing how you arrived at these two conclusions

Especially since I was lying. I had a pretty conventional condition given my 3rd party status. Ive noticed he's been pretty happy to agree with me and back me on lots on alot of posts.

@Fake Passport what made you think that Rudolph soft claimed anything at all?

That was in reference to CC, essentially asking for PR to claim but not doing it himself, I wanted the reaction more than it being a definite statement.

 

[Varun]

Well, ok. I had a win condition, the game mod has explicitly said it was been completely changed. What I'm saying is any role he gives me rebalances the game. I'm not posting here as a spectator...

Can you quote JR's post where he said it has been changed?[DOUBLEPOST=1500591929][/DOUBLEPOST]

That was in reference to CC, essentially asking for PR to claim but not doing it himself, I wanted the reaction more than it being a definite statement.

This makes sense. And I believe he said he isn't entirely a vanilla much later in the game, and never bothered to clarify my assumption that he's a vanilla. We still don't know what his role is. Did I miss his character claim?

 

[El Loco]

I also understand why surendar cleared Rudolph. Because he specifically mentioned the word 'eliminated' along with 'sith', which checks out with my PM too. I thought @surendar was lying because he kept focusing on the sith part more than the specific phrasing, which seemed kinda spotty because the mafia are likely to know they're sith too. But this essentially checks surendar out as town now. He's been telling the truth, but Rudolph and him didn't state their points accurately enough (and well Rudolph quoted his PM so...). This makes me doubt @El Loco, who has largely seemed to have played a huge role in scumhunting, a little. I find it a little dubious that he'd miss this obvious fact too. But I can't say. I did, so he can too.

OK, I am trying to follow you. So let's get this straight, you're saying that Surendar used the wording from the win-con which makes him town for you, right? Is this something you've only just picked up, because you were quite willing to concur with me up till now. I'll go back and have a look.

 

[Varun]

Is this something you've only just picked up, because you were quite willing to concur with me up till now. I'll go back and have a look.

I picked it up only because I went back and read through the entire chat. That's what surendar seems to have used to clear Rudolph, and it makes sense. Up until now, I don't remember him specifically mentioning that it was 'sith must be eliminated' and not just 'sith' that led him to clear Rudolph, which confused me a lot, and evidently others as well.

 

[Fake Passport]

His first condition had him getting Rudolph lynched for reasons I can't tell but him being Mod Killed his win con was snatched away hence I had to give him something different.

And he further went on to say it was a completely independent role from previous (as in, I haven't just been given a new target)

Independent.

 

[Till Valhalla]

(I just realized you're swirler?

OOC : Not talking about CC but I also in this past week found some old members in new name.

 

[Varun]

And he further went on to say it was a completely independent role from previous (as in, I haven't just been given a new target)

Perfect. What do you think of swacker, El Loco, and zwarrior?

 

[El Loco]

I picked it up only because I went back and read through the entire chat. That's what surendar seems to have used to clear Rudolph, and it makes sense. Up until now, I don't remember him specifically mentioning that it was 'sith must be eliminated' and not just 'sith' that led him to clear Rudolph, which confused me a lot, and evidently others as well.

I will remain sceptical until I see evidence for what you have mentioned myself.
As far as I do remember he did have a penchant for the single word 'Sith' rather than a phrase encompassing it, so I am yet to see where you suddenly got the idea from.
I'm sure other members must have paid attention in passing at least because there are vast swathes on it in the last few pages.

Just a word on CaptainCremer, I haven't seen many instances of him denouncing anything to be honest. He's just been corresponding with others and willing be in harmony with the general flow of the game without formulating much himself. If he has offered up a comprehensive read on something then I've missed it.

 

[surendar]

I also understand why surendar cleared Rudolph. Because he specifically mentioned the word 'eliminated' along with 'sith', which checks out with my PM too. I thought @surendar was lying because he kept focusing on the sith part more than the specific phrasing, which seemed kinda spotty because the mafia are likely to know they're sith too. But this essentially checks surendar out as town now. He's been telling the truth, but Rudolph and him didn't state their points accurately enough (and well Rudolph quoted his PM so...).

I can confirm this part that, I did verify on Day 1 with Rudolph using "eliminated" or "kill" word in particular + also wondered why he did not use "/" and used "()". When Rudolph(old role) highlighted the Sith word in bold, I was able to correlate myself in his shoes that he has also googled to know what "Sith" is, like me. I did not bring about these first 2 checks( usage of word eliminate and "/") that time - because,in our last game, FP got pretty pissed questioning the game integrity when people were cross-checking their PMs too much, & it was indeed a fair point. That is why, I went with the same phrase when I was supporting Rudolph. Usage of sith at that time of claim in Day 1 was solid enough for me, as it cannot be guessed for a person with no knowledge.

Not really sure why it was tough to spot that out. @El Loco - Was referring this. I don't see any probability of the word Sith to be predicted so easily in closed set up. It was accurate. It could have been eliminate dark side, eliminate evil, eliminate mafia to be common, but "Sith" was accurate.

This is getting interesting! Am wonder stuck now, because Varun's post was indeed true & he was in top of my radar list till before that last post he made.

• El loco sees me as Mafia, was okay with Varun when he(Varun) lynched me along with him(El loco)
• zwarrior see me and varun as mafia

When new comers( in this game's context ) like Simon could feel El Loco's assessment as valid to go against me as first impression - I am leaning on my point 2 now.

FOS: zwarrior


@RUDOLPH - This is going to cause conflict for you man for playing 2 players game, do not reply to any of these posts related to your old role unless you speak as MrsPacman. Any post from your view regarding your old role is going to be a ghost post, and it would violate the rules I believe if it turns out as clue( by any chance ).

 

[CremerCurrans]

@CaptainCremer (I just realized you're swirler?) I'm interested in knowing how you arrived at these two conclusions.

I'm starting to think that there is no third party in this game. Unless they are heavily aligned to one side.

This was just after the start of Day 2 I believe. My comment was based upon the Day 2 description which mentioned a shot being fired and missing. There was only two sides mentioned in the description the people shooting, and the people being shot at.

Also this before we learnt that Fake Passport was/is third party.

It does appear that most of us, if not all, have all been given interesting roles/conditions, along with our alignments.[DOUBLEPOST=1499910797][/DOUBLEPOST]

Fake Passport mentioned that he had something extra added to his win condition. Although I do not, I was just pointing out that I have an interesting character role, that is not in most mafia games.

I just wanted to add to this that there are similar anti-town roles such as cults and mafia mason, which would loser match your description.

This was part of my conversation with surendar about the commuter being a town role on page 12.

 

[CremerCurrans]

Sorry @Varun I accidentally included my answers to your question into the quote.