Australia tour of India (Feb '17/Mar '17)

[zwarrior]

Smith had a brain fade, it can happen on those tense situations, you want them to block off the dressing room? If its anything Virat Kohli should be reprimanded for public criticism of an international team and captain!

Smith broke the rule and Kohli should be reprimanded for pointing it out. lol. You are funny, let me tell you that.

So, it was ok for smith to break that rule because he was tensed ? Is that what you are telling ?

 

[Satan666]

Smith broke the rule and Kohli should be reprimanded for pointing it out. lol. You are funny, let me tell you that.

So, it was ok for smith to break that rule because he was tensed ? Is that what you are telling ?

With regards to Smith the only possible charge was the ICC code of conduct that he acted against the spirit of the game, the pressures and stress levels are immense in the middle and can unsettle the straightest. The matter was handled on field, as is the case under the standing DRS protocols; Smith was disallowed from communicating with the dressing room.

Kohli on the other hand was under no stress, no outside influences when he made statements "serious public criticism' of the Australians.

Aint got a legal background playboi, do you? I would tend to think its almost impossible to prove, given the evidence that Smith breached the ICC code of conduct......Virat though openly criticized in public an entire international team....and by extension brought the lovely game in disrepute. Thats justice for you though, Virat gets away with murder and the media and India fans paint the opposition black....such is the might and extent of BCCI! The malady runs deep.[DOUBLEPOST=1489121705][/DOUBLEPOST]

This guy has me in splits!

Youre welcome.

 

[Satan666]

Your absolutely right in that most of the introduction of technology has been done so in such a way that the umpire still has to make a decision and then the validity of that decision is considered by technology. Most recently its been done with the introduction of the soft signal for things like carried catches. IMO while there is still a role for an umpire on the field, you want them making decisions, otherwise their accuracy and ability to make those decisions and get them right fades, and you end up with less accurate umpires and more reliance on technology. Better teaching some resilience skills for when they do, on the odd occasion, get it wrong than someone that has auto-referred things so much that they cant make a decision when the technology goes down, or are forced to etc.

Predominately the Umpires Call was originally included (and afaik still is) to account for the known consistent margin of error in the technology. With ball tracking, the cameras have a hard time picking up exactly where the ball bounces and how much it skids, usually this shows as the umpires call as to whether the ball hits the stumps. I believe the system also works on a theoretical pinpoint centre of the ball, and extrapolates what the ball, given the size would have done, which provides more of a limitation given the variances in ball sizes (given were talking mm) and perhaps even shape.

There probably is an argument that technology could take over decision making for umpires, save perhaps one in the box. However as we saw with Smith looking up at the dressing room, Faf du Plessis ball tampering, cooling tempers etc umpires are needed for a whole lot more than decision making (the common saying is knowledge of the laws is 10% of umpiring). I personally suspect that until technology can be made at backyard level (which is decades away) they'll have to substantially retain on field umpires, purely for the fact that the game would be so different between the pro and the amateur.

Great post this.

Been wondering for a while now what are the ICC plans wrt Technology being utilized in the game, not only with regards to umpiring but the game on a whole. With the growth of T20 cricket it seems one of the pros been a greater use of technology.

 

[zwarrior]

With regards to Smith the only possible charge was the ICC code of conduct that he acted against the spirit of the game, the pressures and stress levels are immense in the middle and can unsettle the straightest. The matter was handled on field, as is the case under the standing DRS protocols; Smith was disallowed from communicating with the dressing room.

Kohli on the other hand was under no stress, no outside influences when he made statements "serious public criticism' of the Australians.

Aint got a legal background playboi, do you? I would tend to think its almost impossible to prove, given the evidence that Smith breached the ICC code of conduct......Virat though openly criticized in public an entire international team....and by extension brought the lovely game in disrepute. Thats justice for you though, Virat gets away with murder and the media and India fans paint the opposition black....such is the might and extent of BCCI! The malady runs deep.

What the hell is playboi ?

Everyone. EVERY FREAKING PLAYER is under pressure when they are on field. If they can't handle pressure and cheat, then let them piss off. And Smith was no youngster. He is experience and he should be able to handle pressure. That's why he is the captain. Just because you are under pressure, doesn't mean you can cheat. And about what kohli said ( He said they did it 3 times) let more reports come regarding that and then we will discuss it. Because there is no way for both of us to prove whether it happened or it didn't.

Smith broke the rule. Look at the DRS rules and it clearly states that players are not supposed to look at dressing room. The problem is, how when someone breaks the rule and blame it on stress/ brain fade, then it's ok. lol. You break a rule, you are guilty. That's it. Simple freaking logic.

 

[abhi_jacko]

The brain fade argument is one of the funniest I have heard in a while. So he had a "brain fade". It was still an illegal action. If I had a "brain fade" and accidentally copied confidential files from my workstation to a personal pen drive - I would be strictly reprimanded for violating the rules and company policies.

Shane Warne supposedly had a "brain fade" too when he took those pills. Sharapova said the same thing. They were punished and suspended.

When rules are broken some action should be taken regardless of the reasoning behind it. Else dont make rules

 

[Satan666]

What the hell is playboi ?

Everyone. EVERY FREAKING PLAYER is under pressure when they are on field. If they can't handle pressure and cheat, then let them piss off. And Smith was no youngster. He is experience and he should be able to handle pressure. That's why he is the captain. Just because you are under pressure, doesn't mean you can cheat. And about what kohli said ( He said they did it 3 times) let more reports come regarding that and then we will discuss it. Because there is no way for both of us to prove whether it happened or it didn't.

Smith broke the rule. Look at the DRS rules and it clearly states that players are not supposed to look at dressing room. The problem is, how when someone breaks the rule and blame it on stress/ brain fade, then it's ok. lol. You break a rule, you are guilty. That's it. Simple freaking logic.

Smith was in a tense situation chasing a score in the 4th inns on a minefield of a pitch. He is only human, similar 'brain fade' cases have occured in the game before.

The matter was dealt with on field by the umpire by disallowing Smith from commicating with the dressing room.

Virat needs to be disciplined, he must show respect for opponents at all times and not publicly criticize them, thats just morally an spiritualy wrong.

 

[Satan666]

The brain fade argument is one of the funniest I have heard in a while. So he had a "brain fade". It was still an illegal action. If I had a "brain fade" and accidentally copied confidential files from my workstation to a personal pen drive - I would be strictly reprimanded for violating the rules and company policies.

Shane Warne supposedly had a "brain fade" too when he took those pills. Sharapova said the same thing. They were punished and suspended.

When rules are broken some action should be taken regardless of the reasoning behind it. Else dont make rules

So in the same breath Virat should be reprimanded also, shouldnt he?

Btw glad to see youre still active on these boards.

 

[zwarrior]

Smith was in a tense situation chasing a score in the 4th inns on a minefield of a pitch. He is only human, similar 'brain fade' cases have occured in the game before.

The matter was dealt with on field by the umpire by disallowing Smith from commicating with the dressing room.

Virat needs to be disciplined, he must show respect for opponents at all times and not publicly criticize them, thats just morally an spiritualy wrong.

Ok. Virat could have done that. But he just said what he had seen happened on the field. And, look. You are denying the FACT that Smith BROKE the rule. Not only you. But other Aussie fans. He BROKE the rule. Brain fade/pressure is just an excuse. You guys ( People who are supporting Smith's actions ) are not ready to accept that.

Even Kohli was under pressure in 2nd innings when he was batting. He had wasted lot of reviews. Add that to the pressure. When he was dismissed, he went for review UNDER PRESSURE. He didn't look at the dressing room.

I am writing an exam. I am under pressure. So, I look at my friend beside me to copy the answers. I had a brain fade. The invigilator caught me doing that. He caught me cheating. Will the invigilator let me go ? NO. He will reprimand me. Doesn't matter whether it was one off incident / pressure / or "brain fade".

 

[Satan666]

Ok. Virat could have done that. But he just said what he had seen happened on the field. And, look. You are denying the FACT that Smith BROKE the rule. Not only you. But other Aussie fans. He BROKE the rule. Brain fade/pressure is just an excuse. You guys ( People who are supporting Smith's actions ) are not ready to accept that.

Even Kohli was under pressure in 2nd innings when he was batting. He had wasted lot of reviews. Add that to the pressure. When he was dismissed, he went for review UNDER PRESSURE. He didn't look at the dressing room.

I am writing an exam. I am under pressure. So, I look at my friend beside me to copy the answers. I had a brain fade. The invigilator caught me doing that. He caught me cheating. Will the invigilator let me go ? NO. He will reprimand me. Doesn't matter whether it was one off incident / pressure / or "brain fade".

What RULE did he break exactly? In my previous post I indicated that the matter was dealt with on field by the umpires disallowing him from communicating.

I strongly recommend you read this article before making any further statements:

BCCI withdraws complaint against Australia | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Injured Mitchell Starc ruled out of Test series | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo
I was told to provides resources

Mitchell Starc out of test series vs India with injury.

Jackson bird might may be handy replacement for Starc in the playing 11.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

As much as I want to see the Indians thump Australia, this is a big blow to the series. I really really like Starc and think he's one of the best cricketers in the world. For me, he's been Aussies best cricketer in the series so far. Huge loss this.

 

[Fenil]

The frequent injuries to Starc bothers me. Obviously he would be working hard to strengthen the brittle parts of his body but I hope Cricket Australia gives him time to recover fully. Getting back to international cricket when your fitness level is not 100% can be dangerous. One bad blow and your career is curtailed. I wish that doesn't happen to Starc. Shami has been injured too many times too. He too needs to get it right. They are the two bowlers I really enjoy watching them bowl.

 

[Umair7]

The frequent injuries to Starc bothers me. Obviously he would be working hard to strengthen the brittle parts of his body but I hope Cricket Australia gives him time to recover fully. Getting back to international cricket when your fitness level is not 100% can be dangerous. One bad blow and your career is curtailed. I wish that doesn't happen to Starc. Shami has been injured too many times too. He too needs to get it right. They are the two bowlers I really enjoy watching them bowl.

Starc have already pulled out of IPL which is good

 

[Sunderpune]

As much as I want to see the Indians thump Australia, this is a big blow to the series. I really really like Starc and think he's one of the best cricketers in the world. For me, he's been Aussies best cricketer in the series so far. Huge loss this.

yes especially last year MS took 24 wickets in Asian sub-continent in 3 test @15.23
So Australia really missed him for next two test,

Yes that was against SL, Australia beaten 3/0.so far in this series Australian spinners took majority Indian wickets

 

[Sunderpune]

Jackson bird might may be handy replacement for Starc in the playing 11.

Yes I wish Bird should play, Victorian All rounder Marcus Stoinis also called for last two test who scored lot less runs than Cartwright or Henriques,i bet he has good knowledge of Indian wickets because he was playing under Khawaja for Australia A vs India A.

Australia selects him for bowling, Auckland ODI Jan.2017 his 146 was in vain but he took 3 wickets other than that I do not know him for domestic

Anyway for Ranchi test Ozzie could sticks with their 2 spinner, besides maxi or Uzzie.