drainpipe32
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Yeah, unfortunately that's too true :laugh
If Hughes gets in the side, I can see Troy having straight sex.
Pakistan Tour of Australia 2009/10
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If Hughes gets in the side, I can see Troy having straight sex.
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Too bad he's no longer with us, a moment of silence
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Too long 
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He gives you his love TumTum :whip
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Looking ominous for Pakistan, they simply don't seem to be half as good as they were just a few years ago (pre 2006). I see the change of keepers did the trick, c M Clarke b Katich for 1. For me it is like the old 'Read vs' debate, the supposed 'best keeper' might catch everything going his way compared to a dropper, but what difference is that going to make if there isn't anything to catch, the opposition rack up 500+ and the 'best keeper' doesn't make any runs.
Bottom line is this, before Akmal was dropped most countries went with strong batting keepers. Are they all stupid? Of course not, the cliche 'catches win matches' is not only wrong - you have to score more runs than your opponents, D/L excepted whereas declarations such as Headingley 1981 means you can take less than 20 wickets, and that Test where Flintoff declared 551/6 - but you can't catch what ain't in the air. The batter-keeper has always been the preferred choice, for England the keepers with the longest regular place in the side could all bat - even the likes of Alan Knott.
Current Test Keepers*
Matt Prior (ENG) - 27 Tests, 1484 runs @ 41.22
Mahendra Dhoni (IND) - 40 Tests, 2176 runs @ 40.30
Brad Haddin (AUS) - 25 Tests, 1466 runs @ 39.62
Kamran Akmal (PAK) - 48 Tests, 2550 runs @ 33.55
Brendon McCullum (NZE) - 49 Tests, 2474 runs @ 32.13
Prasanna Jayawardene (SRI) - 30 Tests, 1044 runs @ 30.71
Mark Boucher (SAF) - 130 Tests, 4937 runs @ 30.48
Mushfiqur Rahim (BAN) - 16 Tests, 679 runs @ 23.41
Dinesh Ramdin (WIN) - 39 Tests, 1419 runs @ 23.26
*pre dropping of Akmal
You might think Rahim's average is low, but considering only Bashar averages more than 30 of current Bangladeshis, it is relatively high for the side he plays for. The two weakest Test nations have the only keepers averaging under 30. Sangakkara was for a long time the batsman keeper for Sri Lanka (averages 55.10 overall) For a keeper to average over 30 is pretty good, not quite the 40 benchmark traditionally set for "good batsmen" but considering they have to keep then bat quite often, and have to practise two main skills, then they're bound to average less than 40.
How do you justify dropping a keeper who averages 33+ !?!? Pakistan might have won that ONE Test had Akmal taken some or all of the dropped catches, and fair enough his highest score is only 30 in the series (67 runs @ 16.75), but England did something similar against the aussies in 06/07 and Read came in to play the last two Tests which we lost by an innings and by 10 wickets respectively. He did take two more catches in one less Test, but it didn't change the results and he made all of one and a bit more runs per innings average thanks to a not out
AUS 06/07
CMW Read (2 Tests) - 35 runs @ 11.67 (HS 26no) ct/st 11/1
GO Jones (3 Tests) - 63 runs @ 10.50 (HS 33) ct/st 9/0
That was the last we saw of GoJo and Read, both played themselves out of the England side for good and thankfully the Jones vs Read debate died with it (eventually)
Bottom line is this, before Akmal was dropped most countries went with strong batting keepers. Are they all stupid? Of course not, the cliche 'catches win matches' is not only wrong - you have to score more runs than your opponents, D/L excepted whereas declarations such as Headingley 1981 means you can take less than 20 wickets, and that Test where Flintoff declared 551/6 - but you can't catch what ain't in the air. The batter-keeper has always been the preferred choice, for England the keepers with the longest regular place in the side could all bat - even the likes of Alan Knott.
Current Test Keepers*
Matt Prior (ENG) - 27 Tests, 1484 runs @ 41.22
Mahendra Dhoni (IND) - 40 Tests, 2176 runs @ 40.30
Brad Haddin (AUS) - 25 Tests, 1466 runs @ 39.62
Kamran Akmal (PAK) - 48 Tests, 2550 runs @ 33.55
Brendon McCullum (NZE) - 49 Tests, 2474 runs @ 32.13
Prasanna Jayawardene (SRI) - 30 Tests, 1044 runs @ 30.71
Mark Boucher (SAF) - 130 Tests, 4937 runs @ 30.48
Mushfiqur Rahim (BAN) - 16 Tests, 679 runs @ 23.41
Dinesh Ramdin (WIN) - 39 Tests, 1419 runs @ 23.26
*pre dropping of Akmal
You might think Rahim's average is low, but considering only Bashar averages more than 30 of current Bangladeshis, it is relatively high for the side he plays for. The two weakest Test nations have the only keepers averaging under 30. Sangakkara was for a long time the batsman keeper for Sri Lanka (averages 55.10 overall) For a keeper to average over 30 is pretty good, not quite the 40 benchmark traditionally set for "good batsmen" but considering they have to keep then bat quite often, and have to practise two main skills, then they're bound to average less than 40.
How do you justify dropping a keeper who averages 33+ !?!? Pakistan might have won that ONE Test had Akmal taken some or all of the dropped catches, and fair enough his highest score is only 30 in the series (67 runs @ 16.75), but England did something similar against the aussies in 06/07 and Read came in to play the last two Tests which we lost by an innings and by 10 wickets respectively. He did take two more catches in one less Test, but it didn't change the results and he made all of one and a bit more runs per innings average thanks to a not out
AUS 06/07
CMW Read (2 Tests) - 35 runs @ 11.67 (HS 26no) ct/st 11/1
GO Jones (3 Tests) - 63 runs @ 10.50 (HS 33) ct/st 9/0
That was the last we saw of GoJo and Read, both played themselves out of the England side for good and thankfully the Jones vs Read debate died with it (eventually)
drainpipe32
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Because he dropped four tweaking catches. Four. Crucial. Catches. Which lost them the game.
Catches that most U-15 keepers would have taken down here. And the guy he dropped three times went on to make a big, match winning hundred. The other bloke was a no. 10 batsman who was involved in a 100 run partnership.
Bottom line is: Akmal lost Pakistan the game. If he'd taken at least two of those catches, Pakistan would have won. Losers get dropped.
Catches that most U-15 keepers would have taken down here. And the guy he dropped three times went on to make a big, match winning hundred. The other bloke was a no. 10 batsman who was involved in a 100 run partnership.
Bottom line is: Akmal lost Pakistan the game. If he'd taken at least two of those catches, Pakistan would have won. Losers get dropped.
BKB1991
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Plus he had a poor series. Hauritz scored more runs in one innings then Akmal did in the whole series 
A good and a spirited fightback by the Pakistanis, but it will only delay the the result
A good and a spirited fightback by the Pakistanis, but it will only delay the the result
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oh god I can't wait for this rubbish Australian summer of cricket to be over. It has been ridiculous.
Next time, let's hope some decent cricket teams tour this country, instead of just giving the Australian team a bunch of cheap runs and wickets.
Next time, let's hope some decent cricket teams tour this country, instead of just giving the Australian team a bunch of cheap runs and wickets.
MaD
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Any one could easily come to the conclusion... that he was bribed
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Ridiculous comment.
CaptainOZ
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Ridiculous reply.
Howsie, maybe you should grow some stones, son, and show us that, as a New Zealander, you are not Australia's "retarded little brother" by displaying some substance to your reply rather than "ridiculous comment"? Can you do better? You don't have to take the little yellow special bus to school, do you?
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