Australia tour of India (Feb '17/Mar '17)

[Sunderpune]

Former wicket keeper Engineer suggest India should offer Australia or any Touring team to bats first in india for test matches, he suggest no more toss in test matches,i think its good idea because VIRAT claims toss dose not matter our bowlers either 4 or 5 will dominate on any wicket at anytime.

On your turner comments,australia aggrey to play 4 test in India of which 3 for debut
ground, no one knows how its behave except curator.Gary Sobers belives PUNE wicket was sets up For Indian spinner's advantage (aus 149 for 2 -202 for 9)

But its backfire and O'keefe become unlikely hero : 12 for 70.myself sunderpune,predicts India win ranchi test but Australian seam attack will take important part in beating india at Dharamshala.so series will be 2/2.India remains number one for entire 2017/18

 

[Sunderpune]

I can not find Quizze section in this forum yet

But
33.3/16/28/15 in test match :whom you think from following?
14 out of 15 were clean bowled!

Jim Laker
Bapu Nadkarni
Johnny Briggs
Chandrasekhar
Murlidharan

Hint: in his debut test, he not even bowls.

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10/8/3/4 wickets
Whose bowling Figure is this in ODI?

Maninder Singh
Phil Simmons
Abdul Qadir
Shane warne
Deepak Patel (nz)

 

[Fake Passport]

On the one hand I like the idea of the visiting captain being able to choose what they do. But I wonder if whether being able to bat first (or bowl) is statistically a significant enough advantage that it'll mean that visiting teams will be at too great advantage?

Does anyone know of if there are any records on %age of games won where toss was won vs % games won where batted first, especially split by home and away or how I could get such info?

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Excuse me? Calm down and please don't paint the entire country with one brush. I know there is a mild irony in making this statement, as it could render me so-called 'vulnerable' but I'm more than happy to cop that to call you out on saying all 23 odd million in the country feel the same way.

Perhaps, you should calm down. When I say 'you Aussies' I don't mean to call on 23 odd million people. It's a way of conversation. There's an article below your previous post by an Aussie where he uses 'The Indians.' It doesn't mean he's calling on the 1.8 billion. It's the team he's referring to. I was referring to you excellent chaps here and the ex cricketers. If in any way I hurt you, I'm genuinely sorry. But, I'm not at all sorry for how I feel or whatever I've responded to @ParkedTheBus about.[DOUBLEPOST=1489556627][/DOUBLEPOST]No more tosses sounds like a brilliant idea. In tests only!

 

[Sunderpune]

On the one hand I like the idea of the visiting captain being able to choose what they do. But I wonder if whether being able to bat first (or bowl) is statistically a significant enough advantage that it'll mean that visiting teams will be at too great advantage?

Does anyone know of if there are any records on %age of games won where toss was won vs % games won where batted first, especially split by home and away or how I could get such info?

I am extremely happy your quick comments about NO TOSS in test subject,
10 out of 10 times in Asian sub -continent, sides bats first, has great advantages except India chasing 387 vs eng.at Chennai and winning or Pakistan chased 382 for 3 an also winning in 4th innings

You can ask Stevens in cricinfo of % of loosing test who bats seconds elsewhere than sub continent.I bet if Asian sub continent have to have right in overseas test, they selects to bowls first now because india and others now starts winning test matches with their fast and medium fast bowling than entirely depends to their spinners plus Luck.

Any sub continent wicket so beautiful to bats for first two days till you see bounce and cracks.

 

[Sunderpune]

@ spinner bowls 32/27/5/0 In the first innings

What is the name of that bowler whose bowling figures was 6/4/6/2, in the second innings,
Wow 38/31/11/2 some 50+ years ago.
test cricket, Amazing.


Yes I am old timer

 

[AliB]

I am extremely happy your quick comments about NO TOSS in test subject,
10 out of 10 times in Asian sub -continent, sides bats first, has great advantages except India chasing 387 vs eng.at Chennai and winning or Pakistan chased 382 for 3 an also winning in 4th innings

You can ask Stevens in cricinfo of % of loosing test who bats seconds elsewhere than sub continent.I bet if Asian sub continent have to have right in overseas test, they selects to bowls first now because india and others now starts winning test matches with their fast and medium fast bowling than entirely depends to their spinners plus Luck.

Any sub continent wicket so beautiful to bats for first two days till you see bounce and cracks.

@ spinner bowls 32/27/5/0 In the first innings

What is the name of that bowler whose bowling figures was 6/4/6/2, in the second innings,
Wow 38/31/11/2 some 50+ years ago.
test cricket, Amazing.


Yes I am old timer

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[Sunderpune]

On the one hand I like the idea of the visiting captain being able to choose what they do. But I wonder if whether being able to bat first (or bowl) is statistically a significant enough advantage that it'll mean that visiting teams will be at too great advantage?

Does anyone know of if there are any records on %age of games won where toss was won vs % games won where batted first, especially split by home and away or how I could get such info?

I forget but is it in England, in certain domestic cricket, no more toss rules effective since 2016
I will post update.

 

[Fake Passport]

I forget but is it in England, in certain domestic cricket, no more toss rules effective since 2016

I believe, but could be wrong, but the visiting captain I think *can* choose to field, but cant choose to bat, if they want to bat then they toss. If I have that right it seems slightly convoluted but can understand it...

 

[Markkkkk]

It all comes down to toss now , win it and you're more likely to win the match as well.

To be fair that's normally how a cricket match works...

 

[Bigby Wolf]

To be fair that's normally how a cricket match works...

That isn't the case for proper test match wickets in India ,not sure about other Countries.Last time When Australia tour India in 2013 they won all the four tosses and ended up losing all the matches.
Recently England won 4 of the 5 tosses but still lost 3 of those matches.On Rank turners Toss plays a crucial role, 9/10 you are guaranteed to win the match if you won the toss because batting 4th on turners is absolute nightmare for any team.
Last time India loss despite winning the toss on a turner was in 2012 at Wankhede versus England.

 

[Markkkkk]

That isn't the case for proper test match wickets in India ,not sure about other Countries.Last time When Australia tour India in 2013 they won all the four tosses and ended up losing all the matches.
Recently England won 4 of the 5 tosses but still lost 3 of those matches.On Rank turners Toss plays a crucial role, 9/10 you are guaranteed to win the match if you won the toss because batting 4th on turners is absolute nightmare for any team.
Last time India loss despite winning the toss on a turner was in 2012 at Wankhede versus England.

Well winning the toss doesn't mean you're favourites but your chances of winning increase. That's the whole point of a toss, if it worsened your chances of winning the match if you won the toss people would be forfeiting tosses all the time.

Obviously, winning a toss on a rank turner increases your chances more than say winning the toss in JHB. Aus won the tosses in 2013 which gave them slightly better odds but even still they were worse than India, hence why they lost.

But whatever this is quite a pointless disagreement

 

[Satan666]

I love it when criminals who've committed murder go about giving moral science lessons and teach society how to live. It's just laughable how you Aussies are so bloody vulnerable and yet go about telling the cricketing world how cricket is tough and if you don't have the 'mentality' for it then you should sit at home and bla bla bla bla. Seriously, some of your ex cricketers, fans and cricketers themselves need to grow a pair or stop preaching the cricketing world to do so.

So labeling an entire nation as 'criminals' because of a misunderstanding/brain fade in a tense situation on a cricket field is justified? Before you gone about claiming its only meant for
'ex cricketers, fans and cricketers' let me inform you that the moderators can see your original posts before you edited it in reply to @ContrarianUmp. Who the hell are you to to tell Aussies to 'stop preaching to the cricket world" the way your culture teaches you to look down and belittle your fellow men is not the way the world works, not on this board either!

What is truly appalling is the fact that a cheat is being portrayed as some sort of victim. What's even more appalling is the fact that good fans like you are buying this garbage. Even if in Australia's fantasy land this is some sort of campaign then deal with it or if you can't and want to cry about it, then don't go about preaching 'tough cricket.' The whole Symonds and Harbhajan Singh row has been done to death. First of all, Bhajji did not call him that, he called him something in Punjabi which sounds like the m word but doesn't have any racial slur attached to it. In a video, Uthappa has accused Symonds of the same but the Indians didn't go about running to the world to accuse the Aussies of something so serious.

Exactly who cheated here? Where is your proof that Smith and his men cheated? STOP MAKING FALSE CLAIMS! They are indeed the victims because the Indian media, fans and team spearheaded by Kohli-BCCI have have seriously criticize the opposing team, labeling them cheats as you yourself has! In the case of Andrew Symonds you guys always come up with some BS, and the facts remain that he was attacked in a way that had genocidal undertones. It does not give you the right to attack others because they have attacked you, that thinking is outdated and not part of most mainstream cultures.

I love how you're accusing the BCCI of all this when history is proof how fair the Aussies are. I mean surely there must not be a team of saints like the Aussies are there? History is proof that the worst cases of cheating have come from the Aussies and boy you chaps have gotten away with it. Good on the Indians I say if this is all a propaganda because it's about time someone put these spoilt turds in their place!

This I agree with the Aussie cricket teams have been known for not playing in the spirit of sportsmanship, claiming drop catches, bullying/sledging and mishits etc. In recent times though the Indians have gained a similar reputation, Tendulkar claimed a drop catch off Dravid in one of the earlier IPL matches, the Symmonds issue, bullying AND STEALING ALL THE PROFITS FOR THEMSELVES WITH THE INTRO OF THE BIG THREE DEAL......can go on and on. Saying the Aussies are spoilt turds you are? Then the Indians are worse than turds.

I'm going to bury this topic here and now because it's getting utterly boring and no matter how much I scream from the rooftops, things won't change. But, I will defend my country and it's captain or players if shit is hurled at them. One thing I'm totally delighted about is that the Aussies have done a marvellous job of pissing Kohli off, and history is proof that he becomes twice the cricketer in that mood. I hope that MRF bat sings some tunes in Ranchi and Dharamshala. The head of the snake is due! Watch out!

Even if theyre in the wrong? As this present case is?

Exactly what do u mean by 'head of the snake'? Are you inferring that the opposing team are snakes?[/QUOTE]

 

[Satan666]

Let me ask you the same question, does the team captain/player deserve a media witch-hunt? No. Just check some tweets by Fox News Australia. They have listed Virat Kohli among the animals of villain sort of. How do you justify this?

If Aussies get media witch hunt then it is wrong. If others get then you guys just pop-up and support these act. I'm completely shocked to see how low the Aussies can fall to put down someone who hasn't done anything wrong but has shown to the world the mistakes done by Aussies. What wrong did Virat do? Accused Smith for his act, was wrong? Then who has to do it if the captain of the opposite team can't? If MS Dhoni was the captain then he too would've done the same with his role as captain.

You keep on saying that Virat is an angel in this situation, there remains zero proof that the Smith 'cheated'. Are you saying that the ICC are in cahoots with CA?

Virat 'seriously publicly criticized' the opposing team, listing them as cheats. Virat is in the wrong here (as dictated by the ICC code of conduct), its like if I make a post saying the PCPL is corrupted and ran by mods who tamper with the games to arrive a particular outcome, surely I would get an infraction and a possible ban, wouldn't I?

What was Smith act other than being a human (brain fade in a tense situation). Virat has spoke of two other incidents where the opposing team have manipulated the DRS, what are these instances? Why have the BCCI not acted on these two other instances also? Common sense tells me it was all a plan of belittling and demeaning an opposing team because they, the Indians are using out of field tactics to ensure a victory.

MS Dhoni was no puppet and he acted on his own, Virat to me is the best batsman in the world, best from India ever but his attitude is terrible and is allowing others to control him.

I leave you with this article where Kumble also plays down the matter alluding to the matter was overplayed:

BCCI, CA took mature call that cricket has to move on - Kumble | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo[DOUBLEPOST=1489608836][/DOUBLEPOST]

Expect another "poor" rating

Two more.

 

[Satan666]

That isn't the case for proper test match wickets in India ,not sure about other Countries.Last time When Australia tour India in 2013 they won all the four tosses and ended up losing all the matches.
Recently England won 4 of the 5 tosses but still lost 3 of those matches.On Rank turners Toss plays a crucial role, 9/10 you are guaranteed to win the match if you won the toss because batting 4th on turners is absolute nightmare for any team.
Last time India loss despite winning the toss on a turner was in 2012 at Wankhede versus England.

Whats needed for Indian home series is a neutral curator, have watched roads turn into minefields over a few years apart.