Australia's Tour Of India - 2008

[ZexyZahid]

I was just thinking about that: why aren't Sehwag and Mishra bowling.

 

[King Pietersen]

Well done Jason Krejza, but honestly, he did not deserve 8 wickets. The large majority of his wickets were due to major batsman error. Not forced error due to them being tied down, but trying to really attack him, which on a turning, bouncing pitch is suicide. On a flatter, non-turning pitch he'd be taken to the cleaners. Hence his FC average of 50. Bowling in England he'll get hammered, you need variations, guile, clever changes of pace, stuff like that, I didn't see much of it from Krejza. Was just flight and spin, and then thanks to the pitch Variable bounce. He's not going to be the next Shane Warne, his FC average proves this.

India need to get these 2 out, and if they do it quickly then it's India's to lose. Australia's lower-middle order haven't looked brilliant, Watson's played 1 good innings, Haddin has looked out of his depth and White's batting is almost as poor as his bowling. Hussey, Katich and Clarke are the key for Australia, they really need Symonds back, having him at 6 in place of Watson would make them look so much stronger.

 

[aussie1st]

Katich no longer a snail what a quick fire 50 I hope he goes on this time as he has looked good until he got past 50 then he struggles to get past 100.

Interesting Watson padded up, I'm guessing Clarke might be having problems with his back or we don't have faith in him to survive at stumps.

 

[sohum]

The game's majorly drifting. Dhoni needs to get Mishra or Sehwag on immediately.

 

[deerkick]

Most likely a draw. I hate Indian pitchees.

 

[angryangy]

Well done Jason Krejza, but honestly, he did not deserve 8 wickets. The large majority of his wickets were due to major batsman error. Not forced error due to them being tied down, but trying to really attack him, which on a turning, bouncing pitch is suicide. On a flatter, non-turning pitch he'd be taken to the cleaners. Hence his FC average of 50. Bowling in England he'll get hammered, you need variations, guile, clever changes of pace, stuff like that, I didn't see much of it from Krejza. Was just flight and spin, and then thanks to the pitch Variable bounce. He's not going to be the next Shane Warne, his FC average proves this.

India need to get these 2 out, and if they do it quickly then it's India's to lose. Australia's lower-middle order haven't looked brilliant, Watson's played 1 good innings, Haddin has looked out of his depth and White's batting is almost as poor as his bowling. Hussey, Katich and Clarke are the key for Australia, they really need Symonds back, having him at 6 in place of Watson would make them look so much stronger.

Whoever compared him to Warne was making a silly off-the-cuff comment, I don't think it needed a counter argument.

He might not have deserved 8 wickets, but if that's the case, he surely didn't deserve 200. It's basically a demonstration of limited overs principles inside a Test match. If he only got his ten overs, he'd have been 2/64 and we'd all go 'geez, hope I never see him again'. But the truth is that a ball is what it is in Test cricket because a batsman generally plays for the long term and realises that if you play enough of those cutesy shots like a cut in front of leg stump, you'll eventually chop one on.

The question is now whether the risks were worthwhile. India were far from cataclysmic and did get a fair few runs, but did they sacrifice a win in not playing a longer innings?

 

[Chetan0304]

Tendulkar's Bowling after a long time

Sachin got his 40th Century yesterday truly he is a Legend of Legends !

 

[Inbox24]

Tendulkar's Bowling after a long time

Sachin got his 40th Century yesterday truly he is a Legend of Legends !

Hopefully great master can get a century with the ball too!

 

[smssia0112]

Of course he's not going to be the next Warne, but let's not forget that Warne's test debut was plucked from oblivion, at a stage where he was still getting fairly limited opportunities for Victoria and was yet to set the Sheffield Shield on fire, let alone the world. He was picked based on potential and perceived ability, as Krejza has been.

Now I doubt we will ever see a bowler like Warne again, but dismissing Krejza based on his FC average is as premature as calling him a star based on his test debut is.

However, one man who has been praised beyond belief so far after just three tests is Ajantha Mendis. Sure, his average may be lower (particularly in test cricket), but his best bowling so far is 6 wickets, and he averages about 27 overs per innings, while Krejza just bowled 44 on debut.

 

[King Pietersen]

Yes, but Ajantha Mendis has a First Class average of 15, a List A average of 11. From 13 ODi's he's taken 33 Wickets at 10. His Test average after 2 games is 18. The highest his economy rate reaches is 4.58 in T20 Internationals. There's a huge difference between Mendis and Krejza. Krejza, although in a higher standard of domestic cricket averages over 50, with a FC economy higher than Mendis' List A and ODi economy. Comparing Krejza with Mendis is ludicrous.

Warne had played very few FC matches when he was picked for Australia, he was picked in 1992, by which point he'd only played 2 FC games in Australia. Krejza's played 24 and still has a poor FC record. After Warne's Test Selection he improved immensely, 63 wickets at 19.92 in 93/94 in Australia. Warne had a heck of a lot more potential than Krejza as well, I can't ever see Krejza dominating around the world like Warne did. The main reason that Krejza got his 8 wickets was because of assistance from the pitch.

 

[smssia0112]

Yes, but Ajantha Mendis has a First Class average of 15, a List A average of 11. From 13 ODi's he's taken 33 Wickets at 10. His Test average after 2 games is 18. The highest his economy rate reaches is 4.58 in T20 Internationals. There's a huge difference between Mendis and Krejza. Krejza, although in a higher standard of domestic cricket averages over 50, with a FC economy higher than Mendis' List A and ODi economy. Comparing Krejza with Mendis is ludicrous.

Warne had played very few FC matches when he was picked for Australia, he was picked in 1992, by which point he'd only played 2 FC games in Australia. Krejza's played 24 and still has a poor FC record. After Warne's Test Selection he improved immensely, 63 wickets at 19.92 in 93/94 in Australia. Warne had a heck of a lot more potential than Krejza as well, I can't ever see Krejza dominating around the world like Warne did. The main reason that Krejza got his 8 wickets was because of assistance from the pitch.

Comparing the Australian and Sri Lanka domestic systems is a bit like comparing apples and horse dung as fruits really. The Sri Lankan system is definitely by comparison a very weak one. Comparing them isn't ludicrous at all.

As for Warne's potential, in hindsight it looks pretty obvious but I do doubt that you were that knowledgeable about Shane Warne's potential back in 1991-1992. He was getting very limited opportunities by Victoria who felt he wasn't ready, and they even dropped him back to the second XI after he was dropped from the Australian side (immediately).

 

[Mr.Cricket]

Woah what a Krazy debut from Krejza. I gotta admit I didn't think he had it in him. Well done to him for proving me and lot of other people wrong. You need to have some skill to get 8 wickets in India but I am more impressed about his persistence and courage. The guy got a big heart , I really admire that in a cricketer.

Hes actually not too bad. He is game enough to throw it up, can spin the ball and has the ability to beat the batsman in flight. I know he went for 200+ runs but a spinners job should be to take wickets. I dont mind him going for 4-5 runs per over if he can take wickets. Dont get me wrong , its far too early to call him the next warney or the answer to our spin crisis. But he has earned his spot for the next two games against Kiwis. Hopefully this is not just a flash in the pan.

PS - great captaincy from Punter. Great to see him give Krejza so many overs even when he was leaking runs at times.

Mr.Cricket added 5 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

Pretty good day for the Aussies. At lunch India were on target for 600+ but it was a pretty good fightback. IF we can bat another 4-5 sessions , we can put them under lot of pressure. Katich looks in great form but he MUST make a big score. Aussies are batting with some intent (RR just under 4) so they are still going for a win IMO. Its not over yet.

 

[King Pietersen]

Comparing the Australian and Sri Lanka domestic systems is a bit like comparing apples and horse dung as fruits really. The Sri Lankan system is definitely by comparison a very weak one. Comparing them isn't ludicrous at all..

Can't be too bad. Mendis' averages seem to have stayed the same in international cricket as they are in international cricket. Murali's First Class record is 19, his Test average is 21. Murali's List A record is 22, his ODi record is 23. He's also played 100 extra domestic games in both forms, so the Sri Lankan domestic competition must be able to be used as some sort of gague for quality. Jayawardene's FC average is 52, compared with his Test Average of 51, so it can be used as a gague for talent.

Don't try and take that paragraph out of context though, I'm not claiming that the Sri Lankan Domestic leagues are as good as Australia's, as they're not, but they're not awful, as proven by the comparison between certain player's FC figures and their Test careers. Murali and Jayawardene being key examples. Mendis is therefore a FAR better bowler than Krejza. 1 innings taking 8 wickets on a spinning pitch in India doesn't make him similar to Mendis. Mendis will take wickets on any pitch, because he has variation. All the top spinners in world cricket have variation, or a style that suits any wicket. Murali has variation, Warne had variation, Kumble just had a style that suited every type of condition, Vettori has subtle variation and changes in pace. Krejza will not end his career with figures anywhere near the players mentioned above. His FC stats indicate this anyway.

 

[Mr.Cricket]

^^^

TBH mate , I dont think the pitch helped him that much. Yeah it has some bounce and good spin but I think its still slow. Batsmen got plenty of time to play the ball. Harbajan and Mishra didnt look that dangerous today. Apart from couple of balls from Bajji I think Krejza spun the ball more and looked more likely to take wickets. Its a fair effort to take 8 wickets on day 1-2 pitch.

PS - not comparing Krazy to Mendis. Mendis is in a league of his own....

 

[aditya123]

Most likely a draw. I hate Indian pitchees.

This game won`t be a draw.The match is set up nicely for a result.Very enticing couple of days in prospect.