Australia's Tour Of India - 2008

[Leggie]

Man Mishra must feel gutted...

 

[sifter132]

If India wanted to attack White they could any time they want. They don't see him as a threat hence they hardly see the need to attack him. Krejza will give us another attacking option, of course he will also be attacked more but that the punt you have to take. But as I said before if the selectors aren't going to pick him send someone over they will pick as we need a spinner.

The trouble with that idea is that there is NO spinner the selectors want to pick. That is why White's playing in the first place. He's not in the team for his spin ability - he is there cause he can bat a bit and field pretty well. But the prime reason is he is less likely to be smashed than Krejza if he bowls 10 overs. Same reason Michael Clarke was bowling so much. He's a Darren Lehmann type trundler who has a knack for keeping the batsmen fairly quiet.

If we play Krejza in the 3rd Test it means we are looking for a win, to find a way to get 20 wickets. If White plays, they are hoping Lee and Clark will run through them while White/Clarke keep it tight.

I dont see any reason for Marsh to come in Aussie side. Its bowling that is letting them down. One Hayden innings and they will score 500 runs easily.

What is reason for having White in side. He does not look a game saver from the way he bats and he could not do anything else from where he batted in lineup.

The best thing Aussies could have done was call Roy back and let him add more spice to the contest as this series has had no controvercy and its getting too boring comparing last time they met.

Haha you do realise you said we need a bowler and then suggest we bring Symonds over. Symonds is no bowler, despite what the media blows him up to be. Michael Clarke is just as good a spinner and Shane Watson bowls better medium pace, so he would barely be used.

I know that he is repalcing Jaques. IF Marsh comes then either Haydos or Katman will be dropped. So far Katman has played well and i don't think Haydos will be dropped. So, what the point calling another batsman rather than a bowler

It's called backup. If Katich falls over in the dressing room the morning of the game putting on his pants and can't play, you would need a reserve batsman - that's why Marsh is going.

I don't see too much drama with the selection. The only other real choices for reserve batsmen as I see it would have been Dave Hussey, Symonds, Chris Rogers or maybe Luke Pomersbach or young Philip Hughes. Symonds wasn't eligible and they wanted someone who could open, so it was either Marsh/Rogers or punt on Hughes. Marsh just happens to be 5 or 6 years younger and not much worse than Rogers, so there's your logic.

 

[aussie1st]

The trouble with that idea is that there is NO spinner the selectors want to pick. That is why White's playing in the first place. He's not in the team for his spin ability - he is there cause he can bat a bit and field pretty well. But the prime reason is he is less likely to be smashed than Krejza if he bowls 10 overs. Same reason Michael Clarke was bowling so much. He's a Darren Lehmann type trundler who has a knack for keeping the batsmen fairly quiet.

If we play Krejza in the 3rd Test it means we are looking for a win, to find a way to get 20 wickets. If White plays, they are hoping Lee and Clark will run through them while White/Clarke keep it tight.

The selectors are definitely keen on Casson but they are "protecting" him. White has done nothing with the bat, and will never be an attacking option with the ball. Hes there for a draw yet we still lost. It's clear we need 4 bowlers not 3 and 2 part timers. Now whether this is 4 pacemen or Krejza I don't really mind, as long as White isn't there as 4th bowler.

And I don't see Clarke or White keeping it tight if our pacemen finally get their act together and bowl some tight spells. The Indian batters will then look to these part timers to get some runs from. As it is they haven't needed to because they have been able to take to the pacemen.

Another former cricket also backing Krejza http://www.smh.com.au/news/sport/cr...delhi-says-bedi/2008/10/26/1224955854243.html

 

[.Mob]

Man Mishra must feel gutted...

And so must all Indian fans who have atleast half a brain working sound.

 

[tassietiger]

Haha you do realise you said we need a bowler and then suggest we bring Symonds over. Symonds is no bowler, despite what the media blows him up to be. Michael Clarke is just as good a spinner and Shane Watson bowls better medium pace, so he would barely be used.

I'd say he's better than Watson. He keeps putting the ball in the right areas, doesn't drop his head a la Watson, and usually makes a breakthrough when the team really needs it. Just because Watson bowls faster doesn't make him the better bowler. Symonds has the knack of getting wickets when necessary.

tassietiger added 4 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

The way I see the spinning spot, Australia have to find the next Warney. They probably won't find anyone quite as good, but they need to find someone who can be Australia's spinner for the next while. Cameron White, clearly, will not be the answer. He keeps the runs down but he doesn't spin it and won't be able to win us games on the 5th day of a test. Krezja, whether he has been carted around in a tour match or not, could be the answer. Giving him a run would at least give a hint as to whether he could be it or not.

 

[nikhil_99]

On TV news channel they showed Bishan Singh Bedi giving tips to Aus spin bowlers.

 

[aussie1st]

On TV news channel they showed Bishan Singh Bedi giving tips to Aus spin bowlers.

You can also read about it in the article I posted above. I don't think he could give much help to White but Krejza he could have.

Cricinfo had a picture of Clark teaching Watson a few tricks, don't know how much he could teach him as Watson like White just isn't going to be able to get the swing.

 

[TruSachFan]

Yuvi getting a 5-fer in Mohali? What nonsense are you sprouting out? The wicket was a batsman's wicket which helped reverse swing, and that proved the difference between the sides because Indian bowlers used reverse swing so well while Australians struggled to do it properly.

Harbhajan has bowled well ever since the SL series. His behavior might be different, but form is different. Just because he talks that way, you cant equate it with form. We saw Sehwag bowling on this pitch. Did he pick wickets? NO!

If Sehwag bowled as many overs as bhaji then YES

 

[SaiSrini]

If Sehwag bowled as many overs as bhaji then YES

Bhajji turned the match in Mohali. Seeing the way Hayden batted, it was clear that Aussies went for a win. The wicket was not too hard at all. And had they continued with that hitting, India might not have got much reverse swing because of the battering received by the ball. So Bhajji opened the floodgates, and we just waltzed into them.

You just need him. I dont care abt his behavior (as long as he doesnt cross the line on the field).

saisrini80 added 3 Minutes and 29 Seconds later...

If Sehwag bowled as many overs as bhaji then YES

Bhajji turned the match in Mohali. Seeing the way Hayden batted, it was clear that Aussies went for a win. The wicket was not too hard at all. And had they continued with that hitting, India might not have got much reverse swing because of the battering received by the ball. So Bhajji opened the floodgates, and we just waltzed into them.

You just need him. I dont care abt his behavior (as long as he doesnt cross the line on the field).

Hayden eyes Zaheer Khan and wants to unsettle him with continued aggressive hitting (Source: Cricinfo). Good challenge for Zaheer. As long as Hayden keeps hitting, he is going to give chances. Thats what Zaheer wants (thats why he taunted the Aussies for their defensive tactics)

 

[Leggie]

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/indvaus2008/content/story/375588.html

Harbhajan Singh's fitness comes into question because of a toe injury he had picked towards the end of the Mohali Test. Yesterday he bowled less than an over in the nets. Today he did the fielding drills, bowled about three overs, and also batted. "We will just wait and see. We have got two days to go, but hopefully it's not too serious," Kirsten said of the injury.

Bhajji better be fit or else : He has looked in fine form with Bat and Ball...

 

[WORLD CHAMPIONS]

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/indvaus2008/content/story/375588.html



Bhajji better be fit or else : He has looked in fine form with Bat and Ball...

You guys have a great replacement ....... Mishra

 

[Leggie]

I suppose so. But Bhajji provides some sort of the depth to the batting order - Not that we need some ATM though....Bhajji just looks so good right now.

 

[aussie1st]

The other interesting thing in there was as expected Mishra would sit out if Kumble returns and Harby makes it.

Warne's stake on White so far

As for White, Warne said Australia had to persist with a young spinner and cut him some slack, as it was extremely difficult bowling first up to Indian batsmen on their pitches.

He said White's initiation would serve him well in the long-term, as his fellow Victorian would be driven to push himself to improve.

"If you really struggle when you first play you appreciate how tough Test cricket is and then over time you've got something to fall back on when it doesn't go well," said Warne, whose first two Tests brought figures of 1-228 against India.

"I'm encouraged by Cameron White. The way he's started and I think he'll get better and better.

"He's had a taste for it which will hopefully make him hungry and really work on his bowling and batting and whole game.

"I think he's done ok."

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24559821-23212,00.html

He might well develop but his development is costing us games. Plus hes already tried to get more turn but failed so he doesn't have much improvement in terms of spin. And if he wants to develop he should bowl himself more in FC cricket.

 

[Leggie]

The other interesting thing in there was as expected Mishra would sit out if Kumble returns and Harby makes it.

Because Harbhajan has been our frontline spinner thus far in this series. It would be rather unusual to drop him for Mishra.

As for White, It wasn't as if he bowled badly. Its just that whenever he bowls the Indian batsmen seem to be on the attack. Also when he does occasionally flight it, He gets smacked. It's not the easiest to bowl spin the Indian batsmen. Over the past year or so there's only been one bowlers that's really hurt us and that is Mendis, Apart from that the likes of Panesar, Harris (SA) and Kaneria have struggled.

 

[aussie1st]

I know Harby wasn't getting dropped was more getting at India not dropping a batsmen and going with 3 spinners or even leaving Kumble out.

Fair point on the Indian batsmen taking to most spinners, we know first hand through Warne how tough it is. The main difference is each of those guys are front line spinners. If White can get in on his batting great but he needs huge improvements to get in on bowling alone.