Australia's Tour Of India - 2008

[aussie_ben91]

No he hasn't. Shah's one of the classiest players in English domestic cricket. The reason his FC record isn't as good as Watson's is because he had a difficult start to his FC record, but he's been one of the best players in England for the past 4-5 years. He deserves far more chances in International cricket. He's now getting a chance to bat at 3 in ODi's which is good for him after being shuffled around the order, and really should have been given a chance in the Test side when Collingwood was desperately out of form. Shah's a far classier batsman than Watson.

You've obviously not seen enough of Bell and Shah if you think Watson's a better batsman than both of them. So what Watson's got a good FC record, that doesn't necessarily equate to a good international career. Again, look at Mark Ramprakash for proof. Ian Bell's one of the classiest players in World Cricket when on form. He's as good as Michael Vaughan when on form. He's got all the shots in the book, hits the ball all-round the ground, uses his feet brilliantly against the spinners, and he times the ball as sweetly as anyone in World Cricket. He'd suit the Australian FC system perfectly. He's adapated his game to suit the ball coming onto the bat, he'd relish on the Australian conditions now. He wasn't anywhere near as good in the Ashes, but now he oozes class.

Ian Bell's still developing as an opening batsman in One Day cricket. He doesn't open for Warwickshire, so he's learning as he goes. He's got a heck of alot of talent, and I'd say is one of the most under-rated batsmen in world cricket. If he could gain that consistency, which is starting to come in Test cricket he'd be superb. His Test Average is fantastic, especially considering he's had a bad patch against New Zealand.

I never said that an ODi average of 35 was poor, I just don't think it's particularly impressive. Collingwood, Bell, Pietersen and Flintoff (when in the top 5) all average over 35, and considering all these players, bar Pietersen are supposed to be far worse than Watson, his ODi average can't be too impressive. An ODi average of 35 doesn't prove a good player, it's very mediocre tbh. Just because Jayasuriya only averaged 33 doesn't prove anything, he was very hit and miss. The very best ODi players all average over 40, Watson doesn't, he's not as good as you make him out to be.

Way to condract, yourself, eh?

The rest of my post is targetted at you to, BTW.

Shah, a lesser player than Watson? This is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. It's almost sig worthy. Shah is a far better player than Watson will ever be.

LMFAO..

Shah? He is a lesser player then Watson. Watson has played allot more ODI's then Shah and averages like 10 more runs per innings then what Shah does and Watson has played down the order for the majority of his career like Shah has.

England are a one man team anyway. If Kevin Pietersen fails then just watch them fall to pieces. The rest of their batsman are massively overrated and don't make runs unless Pietersen does.
Everyone else failed in the 2nd Test but Watson stood up and showed class and helped Australia to avoid the follow-on. I highly doubt that Shah would've made runs in a similar situation as Englishmen are traditionally poor players of spin.

I'd take any Australian batsman averaging 45+ in first-class cricket over any player from England barring Pietersen and Cook and to an extent, Ian Bell.

The fact that Shah is considered a class batsman in England, just goes to show how weak their system is.
Players like Hodge, D. Hussey, Watson, Rogers, Hughes and Pomersbach are all genuiely better batsman then Shah.
Shah ranks along players like Marcus North and Adam Voges from Western Australia.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

What the hell!? : I'm embarrased men, I just watch some overs and turned off the TV and came back here to the computer and heard Kumble's out. I'll have to go back! :..

What are you on about? Kumble out?:what

 

[KBC]

Man, excitement.

Typo.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

Kumble should turn into a medium pacer .

 

[aussie1st]

Haddin certainly isn't have the best of times at the International level but no one at domestic cricket is making much of an impact. Over to White to show he can actually bat.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

The Victorian keeper looked good to me. But I haven't watched him over a considerable period of time.

 

[WORLD CHAMPIONS]

Kumble should turn into a medium pacer .

He is already a medium pacer just can't seam

 

[Ponting_14]

The Victorian keeper looked good to me. But I haven't watched him over a considerable period of time.

Wade has a long way to go.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

I'm talking about Adam Crosthwaite. I know his stats are not at all good. And right now Haddin is the best, I'm speculating him after Haddin retires (a long time).

Harrypotter_fan added 2 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

He is already a medium pacer just can't seam

Then he should try swing.

 

[aussie1st]

I'm talking about Adam Crosthwaite. I know his stats are not at all good. And right now Haddin is the best, I'm speculating him after Haddin retires (a long time).

He only plays OD cricket atm so hes got a long way to go too.

Ronchi would be next in line with Paine probably the most promising of the lot. I don't know if Haddin will be able to retire on his own terms if he continues to perform like this.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

All your keepers seem to come from Western Australia. And all of them are big hitters. But Ronchi seems too much of a hit or miss player.

 

[Cricket_60]

He only plays OD cricket atm so hes got a long way to go too.

Ronchi would be next in line with Paine probably the most promising of the lot. I don't know if Haddin will be able to retire on his own terms if he continues to perform like this.

Haddin's game plan seems to be along the lines of hitting out against the bowlers no matter what conditions. It's pretty well suited to ODI but imo if he doesn't show a bit more restraint or atleast controlled aggression at test level we might do well to look at developing a more long term prospect like Paine or Ronchi.

That is a pretty harsh judgement of him though and atm it's probably too early to tell, but that shot against Kumble was totally unecessary.

 

[SaiSrini]

Only thing for Australia is no spinner to take advantage of this wicket... I still think a lead of 100 or above would give India a chance to come out, bat really fast and put pressure on Australia. But we miss Harbhajan very much here on this wicket. Harbhajan is in great form, and would definitely have caused big trouble for the Aussies.

Prefer to be optimistic of an indian win, when a draw seems most likely.

 

[KBC]

He is already a medium pacer just can't seam

He bowls at 145-148 kmph at times. The recent one came against pakistan just before he retired from ODIs, 145.1 kmph ball. When he bowled that ball, The batsman, I don't remember who, just didn't know what to do, had put his bat horizontally to defend himself from the ball, which in turn resulted to be a good Straight pull shot, when the ball hit the bat at the ideal time. If you get what i mean. So, he's a fast bowler!

He started his career as a fast bowler tbh. ..

 

[SciD]

Kumble will cut cake today.