Classic Mafia 02 - The End

[surendar]

Alright, role received.

Okay, have been going through the pages and my observations are as below.

Don's claim - As a cop!
Don's claim of Yash - 100% town.

Looking back some posts of Don's before his claim:

OK, I think I agree with you. Let's wait for the cop to out now.

& on 1/13 - he claimed as a cop.

Posts before this really had points very clear that cop coming out was normal behavior, but the way this cop claim was done looks bit confusing in my eyes. Not sure whether it is just me who is not able to see it a solid one. This really matters to our town because 2 people(Don/Yash) being tagged along because of this claim. Will wait for day to see if Yash/Don survives the next night. Now that they come up, would be interesting to see both Doc/Mafia role behavior as they are in danger ends for obvious confessions. If they survive, then both(Don/Yash) would be in top radar. Going by the claim made, which I have no options other than to assume them to be true, at this point am moving on before reading/assuming too much. I don't want to make too much assumptions that backfires. Will wait for a day to re-assess this.

Yash - Already mentioned above.

Abhas - Wow, very similar questioning styles from the past games. So not able to conclude anything 'against' at this stage from the discussions that has happened from him.

Simon - I guess he is yet to get up from being poisoned in previous game! I agree with his view on Hedger & Sulaiman though for reasons mentioned below. Same category of Abhas, will wait for some more discussions.

Hedger - Am going by the pattern we played in last game, defensive style of hedger still makes me to trust Hedger as townie, at this moment. Looks like another time that I would have to trust Hedger, oh well hopefully my calculation turns correct and it would give a big brow raise if in the end, Hedger turns out to be mafia.

Sulaiman - His way of stating FOS on Abhas and posts mentioning on jokes of lynchs/FOS is making me to suspect him more than seeing as newbie. He hasn't added anything solid that is going to help the town. This reminds me someone doing it in previous superhero mafia game, **cough** cough** Yash?

So going by these and in terms of my own suspect ranking calculations, my current FOS is on Sulaiman. I will still not lynch him until the dealine to see if he adds anything otherway.

FOS : Sulaiman
Reasons - 1) Not much of help adding points favoring the town 2) Displaying ambiguous role of 'may be/may be not' kind which looks to me as safe play.

And also I would repeat the same that I mentioned in previous game - Townsmen need to come up solid if everyone has to be bonded together and fight against the mafias. Even if there is one 'Not bothered' town, it is going to impact big.

Outside the game :
Have been following this game from start, as I wished to join here but missed the dealine and game was already kicked off. Like i stated some posts back, my activity of Saturday and Sunday will not be much as its week end. Also, requesting the players here to conclude my role based on my own posts(Hope inactivity of User2010 doesn't reflect my play here). Thanks.

 

[thedon5]

Lynch: Sulaiman7

Let's be realistic, he isn't going to add anything.

 

[hedger_14]

Okay, well we need to lynch today and for me, it has to be Simon or Sulaiman.

Posts before this really had points very clear that cop coming out was normal behavior, but the way this cop claim was done looks bit confusing in my eyes.

Not really, it's how I play as a pr. And he wasn't sure whether he should have claimed or not. Plus, the fact that nobody has cc'd cop clears him (I think everyone has posted since his claim).

If you're doc Sulaiman, claim now (Unless thedon changes his mind about this lynch), just being cautious in case someone blitzes.

 

[thedon5]

I guess we have equal reason to go after Simon, though he has more of a clue than Sulaiman, he knows what's happening, but he doesn't know what to add.

Overall I know very little about this game outside of yash being town. I would love to say my thoughts now in case I die tonight, but honestly I don't really have any. At most I'll say this inactivity is typical of Simon's play, town or not (haven't seen him as Mafia), so it's not anything unusual. Something you guys who haven't played in a game with him may not know.

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Btw as logical as hedger's suggestions were, I wanted other people's opinions before coming out. Of course I had to make it seem like I wasn't cop at all, what better way than the line surendar has quoted and various other lines. Me being so keen on getting more explanations from hedger should show I really was cop. I was soft claiming a bit I guess, though I don't fully know what soft claiming exactly entails.

So when yashdude, the only confirmed town, said the cop should come out, I knew it was time to do it.

 

[surendar]

Plus, the fact that nobody has cc'd cop clears him (I think everyone has posted since his claim).

This is exactly which stopped me from reading too much from assuming things on first day giving benefits of doubt towards the favor of Don/Yash in being the roles what they claimed to be.

I wasn't fully convinced initially because of Yash's posts and the way the claim was made, i.e. Yash initially saying cop not coming out as the person investigated was on townside & then Don posting as cop immediately with same way Yash predicted - made it to look like 'WOW' to me. That is why I would want to wait to make my 60% belief to 100% belief on the claim.

I would agree, as much as I have suspects of Sulaiman for being ambigous, I would also want Simon to speak up. I mentioned earlier about my suspect ranking based on my analysis, this is what I have in my mind.

Order : From higher(danger) to lower(safe)

1. Sulaiman (reason - ambiguous)
2. Abhas (reason - same tactics of questioning town and ending up otherway as surprise package. All the discussions are in favor of the town till now though I will keep my fingers crossed with alertful hopes that he is really helping us.)
3. Simon (reason - inactivity puts him slightly below Abhas & I also don't really know how Simon played in past. In my previous game, he was poisoned and killed from day start! Only because my views coincided with Simon's for Hedger & Sulaiman, I will keep him slightly lower than Abhas)
4. Yash (Don's claim will really let through Yash to safest zone, oh well only if Don ends in 100% correct of his claim)
5. Don (Cop claim and none have disagreed to it moves him to safer, next to safest level)
6. Hedger(Yes, I see Hedger safest despite cop's claim. Style of analysis is so familiar & similar that I see as natural townread with ability of helping town)

I will wait for some more hours to start lynching/no lynching depending on what Simon/Sulaiman has to say. If I am going for lynch, it would be the first person on my analysis list unless it changes otherway.

 

[thedon5]

The question is more if Sulaiman will have anything to say at all.

 

[Villain]

I'm more suspicious about Simon than Sulaiman.
But, Sulaiman isn't adding anything as Don said. Not only me, I guess most of us want a character claim from @Sulaiman7. Or I'll be forced to lynch him.

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Unlynch: User2010

 

[SiriusBlack]

edited

 

[Abhas]

Character claim? What are you on about?

I really hope thedon's speaking the truth here, because yash was amongst my top scum reads.
I don't know why suddenly Hedger is pro-town. I'm quite wary of him at the moment, because he's a really good mafia player.
We want Simon and Sulaiman to be more active. I can hardly get anything from their posts. With Sulaiman, there could be the n00b factor, so that makes it even harder to get a correct read.
I'm wasn't too pleased with User's play. Apart from agreeing with everything I was saying, there was very little input. Certainly a known mafia tactic this.

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Well, I don't really have to add much until Day 2 commences.

And, why is that?

 

[Villain]

Character claim? What are you on about?

What if he turns out to be a doc? Who'll be the one saving Don the next night? It'd be all over. Sulaiman was last active on around 6pm yesterday, he deserves some chance to have his say.

 

[Abhas]

That's a role claim.
Of course he deserves a chance to defend himself. We don't want to get into the lynches hastily.

 

[Villain]

That's a role claim.
Of course he deserves a chance to defend himself. We don't want to get into the lynches hastily.

Yeah, my bad. Sorry.

 

[SiriusBlack]

edited

 

[Abhas]

Okay, I went through the thread again, and I feel there's nothing to suggest thedon is lying.
This leaves us with:
Simon
hedger_14
Surendar
Sulaiman7
(and of course, myself)
2 of whom are mafia.

Out of Simon, Sulaiman, Hedger, and Surendar, Sulaiman seems to be the safe bet. He's not contributing much, even if he turns up town, he wouldn't be a big miss, however, I'm more inclined to be worried about Simon/Surendar.

FOS: Simon
As town, I would be least interested in going into the night phase right now. What Simon has done is, put forward his views, and declared no intent to discuss further. For all we know, your views might be wrong/misleading.

 

[thedon5]

Well, I don't really have to add much until Day 2 commences. I did already say I'm suspicious of Sulaiman, and that really hasn't changed.

lynch: Sulaiman7

This is a scummy move but Simon gets the benefit of the doubt as honestly I would have done the same thing in my first few games. When it is narrowed down to two players and one must be lynched off with the newer player being one, the newer player will generally be in a hurry to get the other guy lynched off.

Hedger is definitely not the most town for me. Other than yash, I would say Abhas is probably leaning town the most for me. He has played against me as Mafia quite a few times, and his gameplay seems a bit different to the time he was Mafia. Surendar is looking good in his few posts so far, actively scum hunting it seems.

My conclusion is that I want to lynch either Sulaiman or Simon.