Third Test: Australia v England at Edgbaston

Listening to the way Ponting was speaking.. It doesn't sound like they want to change their team too much. I have a horrible feeling that the Australian team is going to be unchanged.

Australia will be too proud to change. They consider it a sign of weakness if there are non-injury related or non-pitch related changes. If England had have changed their team a lot after Cardiff, the Aussies would have taken a lot of heart from that, but just like 2005, the Poms kept the team virtually the same and it paid off. It shows belief and confidence.

That said, I think the only possible change is Brett Lee. I'd be surprised if Johnson is dropped unless he has a shocker in this tour match - he deserves more support and he's been at least moderately effective with 8 wickets thus far.

So it's between Siddle, Hilfy, Hauritz and Lee for the 3 spots. Siddle has showed glimpses of brilliance but he's been loose - just no one has noticed with Mitch in the same team. Hilfy has been good but he's not as high on the pre-tour pecking order as Lee and Johnson. Hauritz will probably play unless it's a raging greentop as he's been useful so far.
 
If Hauritz is injured I'd send Krejza over as cover. I wouldn't say Siddle is a lock in atm, hes averaging more than Johnson this series and only slightly less expensive. Of course I wouldn't trust the averages too much as Flintoff is averaging way more than both Johnson and Siddle!

Still I could see the selectors going for more experience and going with Lee, Clark, Hilfenhaus, Hauritz. Someone said Lee doesn't want to play in the warm up to keep himself in cotton wool. If he does that then I wouldn't be picking him. He needs to prove his fitness and if he still has his form.

I think Krezja has very little going for him for a Test spot. He may be able to take a large haul on his day on the right pitch, but I think it is too risky to pick someone who will potentially go for 5 runs per over as Australia cannot afford another loss here. Regarding Siddle, I'd agree not to trust averages, he has bowled many aggressive, high quality spells and I feel a five wicket haul is just around the corner for him in this series. Johnson on the other hand has taken wickets seemingly out of nowhere and I'm sure many will agree that bowling as he is, he has taken as many wickets as anyone could have hoped for.

Aye, Krejza has been doing the job for Australia A so he definetly should be over here in case the wicket will spin.

He didn't do much in the two Tests against Pakistan A. He took one four wicket haul but was generally expensive and only totalled 7 wickets.

Agreed on the Lee part. It's simple for him really. Play the tour match and prove yourself and you might get a go. If you don't play it, then tough luck. That's what it should be - but it won't be like that.

I'm sure that is what will happen. If he is fit for the tour match, he will play in the third Test but I'm sure that if he does play, he won't be bowling 95mph as in the warm up game, as he is recovering from a bowling specific injury and so I think it is irrelevant.

Passion alone should never be enough. Fact of the matter is Siddle has an economy of 3.88 for this series only 0.12 less than Johnson who is at rock bottom. Johnson we know of, but Siddle has no excuse what so ever to be going for so many runs. Its not like his action is broken or his wrist position is stuffed. Heck he isn't even bowling 150km/h so really to be going at 3.88 so far is poor.

Siddle has been pitching it up and looking for swing, he is actively searcing for wickets and he is bowling the odd very impressive spell and so a high economy after two Tests can be tolerated, imo.

I would be tempted to go with Clark, Hilfy, Lee and Hauirtz. Lee tour form brought a whole new Lee to the plate, his ability to reverse swing at pace makes him an ideal choice to back up Hilfy's swing. Clark is there for the accuracy and he doesn't average 20 in Test cricket by not taking wickets. Siddle has potential but his accuracy is a worry, you could give him another go but I feel Hilfy needs a guy that can keep it tight. It looks like we will have another bowling shoot out though with Clark, Siddle, Lee and Johnson fighting for 2 spots.

All depends on Lee's fitness, if he is fully fit and bowling over 90mph, then he should be in, but I highly doubt that it will be possible after his injury. I think it should be a simple swap of Clark in for Johnson.

Harmison for Broad and Bell for Bopara for me.

Bell is a step back, imo. Bopara was impressive against West Indies (yes, I know, West Indies are rubbish, etc) and deserves more than two Tests, imo. I would agree with Harmison in for Broad.

I disagree. First innings he was good and the reason his second innings figures were so poor was because he only bowled one spell and it was when Australia were attacking and England had very aggressive fields.

Indeed. Onions bowled one bad spell, no reason to drop him, he took three in the first innings which cannot be ignored. I think Harmison has probably leapfrogged him with his fine domestic performances recently but I think both should play in the third Test with Broad missing out.
 
So KP is out. We can't play Bell, he is now bottling it at county level, he isn't even putting the selectors under pressure like he should be today and in the lions game.

We're tweaked if our 3 and 4 are Bell and Bopara, that has to be the most fragile 3 and 4 ever.
 
At the risk of it biting me back on the arse, I don't think having KP out is a major deal, the injury is really hampering is performance.
 
It will if we play Bell and have a guaranteed 0 in the middle of every innings.

Leicester Fox added 1 Minutes and 59 Seconds later...

Oh my god the selectors are trying to defend his average of 25 against the Aussies. I feel sick.
 
You guys have so many options. Owais Shah, Rob Key, or even thrust it to a young un like idk, Joe Denly?
 
Joe Denly is so ready for international cricket! Not. He's an opener too. Throw Trott in there too, though he doesn't get much love from the selectors.
 
That is correct. Trott would be the best man for the job. Consistently one of the top run scorers in county cricket and he's not the sort of bloke who will bottle it.
 
Meh, I never thought we'd win the series anyway.

Rob Key is obviously not going to get a game. He won't get picked because I want him too and the selectors never listen to me.

Ian Bell it is. I like Ian Bell but he is hands down the worst cricketer ever.
 
To be fair to the selectors, I can see why they don't pick Trott. I mean, when has a South African ever done well for us?
 
Here's what I would do.

Strauss (c)
Cook
Key
Collingwood
Bopara
Prior
Freddie
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Hoggard


Pratt




It has never ceased to amaze me the way Hoggard was treated. Still what do I know
 
Hoggard was discarded like yesterdays rubbish. How can they give debuts to jagoffs like Pattinson and A Khan over him.
 
ian bell will surely be the replacement and this series maybe the turn around he needs.
 
I think Krezja has very little going for him for a Test spot. He may be able to take a large haul on his day on the right pitch, but I think it is too risky to pick someone who will potentially go for 5 runs per over as Australia cannot afford another loss here. Regarding Siddle, I'd agree not to trust averages, he has bowled many aggressive, high quality spells and I feel a five wicket haul is just around the corner for him in this series. Johnson on the other hand has taken wickets seemingly out of nowhere and I'm sure many will agree that bowling as he is, he has taken as many wickets as anyone could have hoped for.

You should know the state of our spinner depth. He is the next best spinner, McGain had a worst debut than Krejza in terms of wickets taken and economy. The rest aren't even near him, so its more a case of getting the next best spinner over here.

I think it should be a simple swap of Clark in for Johnson.

I know I've been calling for it but when you look at the stats, Johnson has only 1 less wicket than Hauritz and Hilfy for the series and as bad as he looks he somehow is only going at 4 an over. He surely can't go any worst than what he has done so far and if his worst has lead to him having more wickets than Flintoff, then it makes you wonder what he will do when he is at his best. All will depend on his tour match showing.

Siddle has been pitching it up and looking for swing, he is actively searcing for wickets and he is bowling the odd very impressive spell and so a high economy after two Tests can be tolerated, imo.

Not in the Ashes and not when it leads to you being 1-0 down. The Ashes isn't the place to be experimenting to see if you can get the ball to swing, you either have it or you don't. Can't have it in between as we have seen what happens in the two test so far.
 

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